Please help!!! Deficiency, (with pics)

[daloudpack]

bleach?

 

[Donktastic]

bleach?

yes, 1 tsp (about 5ml) per 5 gallons. My first dose was 3 tsp in 5 gal and I only noticed one ill effect on one plant, which could have been the root disease still. Been going for a week after literally trying everything else, and it appears to be working.

 

[daloudpack]

ive heard of that too,,, i read alot... never had pythuim tho... but i wouldnt be against it as H202 isnt very potent .... and is only a temporary fix

 

[daloudpack]

imo growing weed is 99.9% stepping out of the box and experimenting.... ull never get anywhere if you dont...ur gonna have fails , ull have losses.. but ull learn from them if your smart

 

[Donktastic]

Bleach is better that H2O2 imo. All bleach is, is concentrated chlorine, its cheaper and more stable than H202. People drink it and use it in pools and it dissipates from your system in 12 to 24 hours and will kill all microbes in about 20 minutes. I decided to give it a try when I read that commercial growers use it as a preventative, and everyone who advised agaisnt it could not prove any real reason to do so other than "its bad"

 

[daloudpack]

yea thats what i was saying bleach is more potent then h202 ....

 

[Donktastic]

Id recommend a test plant or two, I bet it fixes your problem and it wont hurt. Dont bother with beneficial bacteria in coco, its only really helps as a preventative and its not a very good at that. Hydro is all about sterilization.

 

[Donktastic]

oh yea, I asked about your ferts because if you use a brand name label then you can rule out Mg and forget the dolomite/epsom salts. Brand name bottles usually have a well balance of everything you need, so if you are getting deficiencies then its because your plant is unable to access the Mg or other nutrients that is already there. Dont ever respond to a problem with, hey it just needs so Mg or a little N, that is guessing in the wrong direction.

 

[Donktastic]

Heres a few pics I just took to help you figure your situation out. This is after a week of treating with bleach, notice the brown roots but in the second photo you can see a few new, very fuzzy, roots popping out on the bottom of the pic (which is the top of the plant). The brown roots actually look better than they did a week ago also, but once roots get damaged they never come back. Also notice my leaves all have a curl or look like Mg deficiency, when the plant is healing the curl turns to dead and looks like burn on the edges. My curl looked like yours a week ago also, but now it doesnt so much. From curl the next step for them was droop, sometimes they drooped and died and sometimes they would recover and then get worse again a few weeks later, and my one girl that was drooping bad is not dropping anymore, she was so bad off that I only kept her around as a test plant for the bleach. Anyway, hope that helps.

 

[ItsJustMe84]

Lol going online is like going on webmd, you will think you have everything there is.

What ferts do you use and what strenght? Your root pictures dont look as bad as mine, but I dont think they are healthy either. It could just be as simple as overwatering, smaller pots will help with that. If it its pythium, I do have a "break glass in emergency cure" that I started last week and has actually been doing wonders, but everyone will think Im crazy.

I dont mind crazy go ahead!! Im using canna coco a and b, rhizotonic,.and cannazym which i hear helps prevent and deals with root rot... i do think ive overwatered to the point of lock out.. the picture i showed was from a baby,.but when i transplanted the roots were nice and white and formed a nice strong root ball that held the coco amd perlite together

 

[Donktastic]

I dont mind crazy go ahead!! Im using canna coco a and b, rhizotonic,.and cannazym which i hear helps prevent and deals with root rot... i do think ive overwatered to the point of lock out.. the picture i showed was from a baby,.but when i transplanted the roots were nice and white and formed a nice strong root ball that held the coco amd perlite together

Lol, well I answered "the crazy" talking with daloudpack. Bleach will kill any microbe in your system good or bad and wont hurt your plant at appropriate levels. Its also cheaper and more effective than adding beneficial bacteria and enzymes to your grow if you are in a hydro/coco. I mix it at 5ml to 10ml per 5 gal container and it is working great. It disipates from your system in 12 to 24 hours so you need to reapply, but one application kills pretty much everything in 20 minutes. Bleach is better than H202 also, its more stable, less plant harmfull, and more bacteria toxic. .

The enzymes like canazyme/hydrozyme/sensizyme just dont work like you want them to and they are expensive. Benificial bacterias in hydro can actually create a microbe rich environment that overtimes benefits the pythium and the source of some of the beni's is also suspect, in my opinion. The only benificial product I found that ever seem to really work was Actinovate, and even that was just a limping along.

If you think youve over watered then let it dry out, but coco is really hard to over water with. Also feed at 1/2 to 1/4 strength for smaller plants. Next time use smaller containers and mix more perilite in your coco also, that will help. Overwatering will not cause "lockout", instead it drowns the roots and kills them or it creates an environment that is perfect for bacteria to grow, which is also bad for your roots.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

I have recently used a bit of bleach in my reservoirs to keep down slime mold and algae growth, with good success and no problems. Not doing hydro, using soil, did 0 research. A basic understanding of chemistry goes a long way. No hard measurement I just use about half a dropper full for two to three gallons of water. I'm sure it is mostly gone by the time it hits the dirt, I certainly detect no smell and my plants are happy as fuck one week from chop, very few yellowing leaves or anything.

 

[ItsJustMe84]

Lol, well I answered "the crazy" talking with daloudpack. Bleach will kill any microbe in your system good or bad and wont hurt your plant at appropriate levels. Its also cheaper and more effective than adding beneficial bacteria and enzymes to your grow if you are in a hydro/coco. I mix it at 5ml to 10ml per 5 gal container and it is working great. It disipates from your system in 12 to 24 hours so you need to reapply, but one application kills pretty much everything in 20 minutes. Bleach is better than H202 also, its more stable, less plant harmfull, and more bacteria toxic. .

The enzymes like canazyme/hydrozyme/sensizyme just dont work like you want them to and they are expensive. Benificial bacterias in hydro can actually create a microbe rich environment that overtimes benefits the pythium and the source of some of the beni's is also suspect, in my opinion. The only benificial product I found that ever seem to really work was Actinovate, and even that was just a limping along.

If you think youve over watered then let it dry out, but coco is really hard to over water with. Also feed at 1/2 to 1/4 strength for smaller plants. Next time use smaller containers and mix more perilite in your coco also, that will help. Overwatering will not cause "lockout", instead it drowns the roots and kills them or it creates an environment that is perfect for bacteria to grow, which is also bad for your roots.

Im just hoping its not as complicated as root rot and this thing that ive had every grow is just a mag def, my plants have had it before and they always seem.to pull through like on these pics.. the last ones like 5 weeks into flower and the first one is the first week of flower, this is when the def seems to go.. i got like 56 oz off 10 plants under 3 x 600 w.. first grow i ever did.. i was really pleased with that one, need to find out what i did right lol

 

[Donktastic]

Im just hoping its not as complicated as root rot and this thing that ive had every grow is just a mag def, my plants have had it before and they always seem.to pull through like on these pics.. the last ones like 5 weeks into flower and the first one is the first week of flower, this is when the def seems to go.. i got like 56 oz off 10 plants under 3 x 600 w.. first grow i ever did.. i was really pleased with that one, need to find out what i did right lol

sorry bud, but Mg def is almost always a symptom of another problem.

I hope Im not just projecting my problems on you lol, but the thing with pythium is it varies from plant to plant. I say Ive been battling it for a year, but I think Ive had it off and on for 3 or 4 years and maybe even before then and Ive just blamed other things. I had a grow where I pulled in over 2 lbs per 1000k with my best plant being 17 oz's. Im thinking Ive got this shit on lock down and the next grow Im averaging less than half that with seeds, then the grow after that all my plants were a much better average but one or two were really really shitty. That kind of stuff

 

[ItsJustMe84]

sorry bud, but Mg def is almost always a symptom of another problem.

I hope Im not just projecting my problems on you lol, but the thing with pythium is it varies from plant to plant. I say Ive been battling it for a year, but I think Ive had it off and on for 3 or 4 years and maybe even before then and Ive just blamed other things. I had a grow where I pulled in over 2 lbs per 1000k with my best plant being 17 oz's. Im thinking Ive got this shit on lock down and the next grow Im averaging less than half that with seeds, then the grow after that all my plants were a much better average but one or two were really really shitty. That kind of stuff

Hahaha thats what im saying, you cant predict shit, i mean on that grow my plants looked sick all the way through veg then i switched the flower and everything just changed.. surely root rot would of just got worse? And at that time i wasnt adjusting my ph, just straight tap water at 7.2 ph,.in coco with no perlite, and i literally followed the dosage off the bottle .. now im using ec,.ph adjusting i really thought things would be better yet it seems far from it..

 

[ItsJustMe84]

sorry bud, but Mg def is almost always a symptom of another problem.

I hope Im not just projecting my problems on you lol, but the thing with pythium is it varies from plant to plant. I say Ive been battling it for a year, but I think Ive had it off and on for 3 or 4 years and maybe even before then and Ive just blamed other things. I had a grow where I pulled in over 2 lbs per 1000k with my best plant being 17 oz's. Im thinking Ive got this shit on lock down and the next grow Im averaging less than half that with seeds, then the grow after that all my plants were a much better average but one or two were really really shitty. That kind of stuff

At the moment im giving them around 1.0 ec thats with my 0.2 ec tap water included.. and thats a mix of canna a and b,.rhizotonic and cannazym.. im gonna let the pots dry out but what would you suggest nutrient wise??

 

[Donktastic]

At the moment im giving them around 1.0 ec thats with my 0.2 ec tap water included.. and thats a mix of canna a and b,.rhizotonic and cannazym.. im gonna let the pots dry out but what would you suggest nutrient wise??

I use AN and I go by PPM so its going to be a hard conversion. But my rule of thumb is that I do about 1/4 strength until they are a little bigger than the ones in your picture and move up to 1/2 strength or so. In terms of PPM thats about 400-700ppm, Ive found I dont need any stronger than that for veg. For flower I increase it up to 1000ppm though.

I dont know about rhizotonic or cannazym specifically, but I suspect they are similar to lots of products Ive tried and are probably not worth what you are paying for them. I suggest you test feed one plant bleach at 2 ml/gallon for the first application and 1ml/gallon after that, mix it with Canna A/B base only.

 

[ItsJustMe84]

I use AN and I go by PPM so its going to be a hard conversion. But my rule of thumb is that I do about 1/4 strength until they are a little bigger than the ones in your picture and move up to 1/2 strength or so. In terms of PPM thats about 400-700ppm, Ive found I dont need any stronger than that for veg. For flower I increase it up to 1000ppm though.

I dont know about rhizotonic or cannazym specifically, but I suspect they are similar to lots of products Ive tried and are probably not worth what you are paying for them. I suggest you test feed one plant bleach at 2 ml/gallon for the first application and 1ml/gallon after that, mix it with Canna A/B base only.

Cheers dude.. i understand ppm... im feeding them exactly 620ppm.. heres a couple of shots of a 2 week old plant with the same symptoms now im no expert but the roots look ok, i transplanted after a week in a dixie cup.. but when i did it had a strong root ball and it seems like its forming one here too.. i dont know though..

 

[ItsJustMe84]

Well after giving them a good mist this morning my girls seem to have really perked up, would it even work that fast? Anyway they all seem to have a shiny coating on the leafs, and the affected leafs dont look half as droopy and even though the pale coloration is still there on some of the leafs they seem to have all gone alot greener especially the new growth.. hopefully they'll make a recovery, how many times should i foliate them? Next time i wont be giving them such a strong dose, but do i do it daily? Weekly?

 

[Donktastic]

Cheers dude.. i understand ppm... im feeding them exactly 620ppm.. heres a couple of shots of a 2 week old plant with the same symptoms now im no expert but the roots look ok, i transplanted after a week in a dixie cup.. but when i did it had a strong root ball and it seems like its forming one here too.. i dont know though..

You got pythium, thats its for almost 100%. Its just not taking over your plants root ball completely yet. Your roots should be bright white, with fuzz, and smell like freshly cut cucumbers.

They should look more like this, (from google)