Enigmatic Ways
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Great I can't wait to see the end results I wanted to do something like this myself but don't have the ability to.
Bud Factor X
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kingzt
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How do you get the frass into a soluble form? I usually just top dress with it but after reading the website, its says to steep 1/4-1/2 Cup frass per gallon. Is this what you do before mixing everything and applying as a foliar? I would like to stop using it as a top dress for a more efficient way to apply it.
Carolina Dream'n
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A true experiment is done multiple times to try to produce clear, repetitive data. All side by sides I have ever done was 3 total harvests, not just 1.
You already know how to use advanced in YOUR garden. While you have been giving a decent feeding schedule with Dyna, you'll still need to "dial it in" to YOUR garden.
Just something to keep in mind.
DirtyEyeball696
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I used liquid carboload, bud candy, big bud and overdrive. They suck on big plants. Anything under 6 feet and an works good but a waste of money if your growing bigger plants.
Bawse!
Bawse!
budman111
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I told you months back that carbohydrates is only for feeding beneficial bacteria so it's completely unnecessary feeding two bottles of the snake oil.
DirtyEyeball696
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They worked great on smaller plants I can't deny that but when I started growing bigger plants, I mean 2-3 x bigger than usual I wasn't seeing the same results. And then I got some guy toying with my head telling me that he's got a 2 part for veg and bloom. Almost sounds to good to be true. Sounds like a scam sending money in the mail or even PayPal. Has anybody had personal dealings with drew303fullsun? He's supposed to be a nutrient consultant.
Bawse!
Bawse!
DirtyEyeball696
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Through the roof. About 80% runoff
Bawse!
Bawse!
ttystikk
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Two whole pages of BULLSHIT.
Y'all are proving my hypothesis that the 'hydro' industry wants STUPID CUSTOMERS. Doesn't anyone here know a Damn thing about this science called chemistry?!
Plants want six major and fifteen odd micro nutrients. PERIOD. PGRs, fulvates, beneficial microbe husbandry all work in conjunction with AND SUBORDINATE TO THE uptake of the above nutrients, in salt form, because that's the only way the plant can absorb them.
I give no fucks about debating the above as it isn't conjecture, it's SETTLED AGRICULTURAL SCIENCE. So if you want to learn how to grow a plant worth thousands of dollars a pound, maybe it makes sense to LEARN SOME! And until you do, stop spreading inanities about how cool 'Big Mike' is and how you HAVE to use Bud Factor X.
I'm glad I found this thread, because I can answer the questions, both about what Bud Factor X is and exactly why it sells for $90.00;
First, the active ingredient in Bud Factor X is NOT chitosan. It's magnesium sulfate, aka epsom salt! You can and I just did get 8 lb bags of it at Wal-Mart for $5.47, or $34 for fifty pounds. I use 1.5g/gallon in both veg and bloom. Works bitchin' and some packages even come with instructions for use on your lawn- as a fertilizer! Go figure!
Second, here's why it sells; Because AN knows Damn good and well their best customers are STUPID ABOUT CHEMISTRY, they've built an entire alternate universe of pseudoscience surrounding basic plant nutrition. Kept in the dark and fed bullshit, these growers not only don't know how badly they're being ripped off, but often actively attempt to shout down experienced, educated professionals who try to suggest reason. This further muddies the waters for beginners and inexperienced hobbyists, creating fertile ground to keep finding suckers who'll shell out ninety hard earned bones for a quart of tapwater and a few cents' worth of bath salt.
Are ya pissed yet? GOOD! It gets better! I bet a lot of you guys reading this would cringe at the cost of a hundred gallon changeout of AN nutes. What if I told you it costs me roughly a dollar? And before anyone shit talks my second rate plants, look at the results;
Boys and girls, it's time to learn your CHEMISTRY!
Y'all are proving my hypothesis that the 'hydro' industry wants STUPID CUSTOMERS. Doesn't anyone here know a Damn thing about this science called chemistry?!
Plants want six major and fifteen odd micro nutrients. PERIOD. PGRs, fulvates, beneficial microbe husbandry all work in conjunction with AND SUBORDINATE TO THE uptake of the above nutrients, in salt form, because that's the only way the plant can absorb them.
I give no fucks about debating the above as it isn't conjecture, it's SETTLED AGRICULTURAL SCIENCE. So if you want to learn how to grow a plant worth thousands of dollars a pound, maybe it makes sense to LEARN SOME! And until you do, stop spreading inanities about how cool 'Big Mike' is and how you HAVE to use Bud Factor X.
I'm glad I found this thread, because I can answer the questions, both about what Bud Factor X is and exactly why it sells for $90.00;
First, the active ingredient in Bud Factor X is NOT chitosan. It's magnesium sulfate, aka epsom salt! You can and I just did get 8 lb bags of it at Wal-Mart for $5.47, or $34 for fifty pounds. I use 1.5g/gallon in both veg and bloom. Works bitchin' and some packages even come with instructions for use on your lawn- as a fertilizer! Go figure!
Second, here's why it sells; Because AN knows Damn good and well their best customers are STUPID ABOUT CHEMISTRY, they've built an entire alternate universe of pseudoscience surrounding basic plant nutrition. Kept in the dark and fed bullshit, these growers not only don't know how badly they're being ripped off, but often actively attempt to shout down experienced, educated professionals who try to suggest reason. This further muddies the waters for beginners and inexperienced hobbyists, creating fertile ground to keep finding suckers who'll shell out ninety hard earned bones for a quart of tapwater and a few cents' worth of bath salt.
Are ya pissed yet? GOOD! It gets better! I bet a lot of you guys reading this would cringe at the cost of a hundred gallon changeout of AN nutes. What if I told you it costs me roughly a dollar? And before anyone shit talks my second rate plants, look at the results;
Boys and girls, it's time to learn your CHEMISTRY!
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DirtyEyeball696
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Lol. Does chemistry give you all those yellow leaves?
Bawse!
Bawse!
ttystikk
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That's right! It looks exactly like it should at the end of a nice, long eight weeks in bloomroom paradise. If yours looked this good, I bet you'd be showing them off here, too. BTW, that's going to be over 24 zips of some of the finest bubblegum available anywhere. And I can repeat this performance at will.
Funny, I've never seen any of YOUR plants. Chump.
"Bawse!" -Derp
Velvet Elvis
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did they change their recipe, i thought there was chitosan too. google searched it too but im all thumbs
ttystikk
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It might be in there, but its only purpose is to fool the stupid.
Velvet Elvis
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cmon now, were both men of science here. while we agree epsom salts or magnesium sulfate is the main contributor to its effectiveness, chitosan has been known for years to offer gains as well.
I am in no way suggesting overpriced AN or chitosan for everybody for that matter, but it is interesting, no? I have used epsom salts for years and tried all the sweet products and chitosan definitely seemed to bump it up notch for me.. doesnt mean I still run it though
ttystikk
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I run epsom salt and I get great flavors and aromas. No mag deficiencies, either.
I stand by my 'fool the stupid' statement. Why else would they put banana fragrance in a jar of MKP? So they can sell 8 ounce jars of it for SIXTY BUCKS?! My 50 POUND BAG cost me $78.00 and I'll probably never need it all.
chuck estevez
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I don't run epsom or chitosan and get great smells and flavors, so ??????????????
ttystikk
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Then you're merely getting your necessary sulfur and magnesium from other sources. Nothing wrong with that.
ttystikk
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Just.... shush. Stop telling everybody...