Smart pot vs Plastic pot observation-Indoors

[Craig1969SS]

ive observed all the variables I can think of and here they are. 10x12 room, window unit, 3x600, 1x400 hid lights. Ambient room temp 72-73 thermostat controlled. Smart pot root temperature 65-67. This was consistent whether on the floor or elevated on a 10" web pot x 4 mature plants in soil. Compare a same size regular plastic pot right next to them. Plastic pot root zone temperature 71-73 consistent whether on the floor or elevated x 4 mature plants. The plastic was close to ambient. All temps were taken 3 days and nights in a row with a industrial thermocouple measuring 3,5,10 gal pots with growing plants. It seems counterproductive to have soil that cold. Everywhere I've now read 72 is the sweet spot. 5-7 degrees! I used a heating pad to warm it up and it did but it cooled off again. The plastic pots were spot on. maybe this correlates to a lot of my plants taking weeks too long to finish? IDK I just snapped to why some were doing better than others never looking at the pots right in my mug.

 

[GemuGrows]

elaborate on the 72f being the sweet spot. does Hydro apply?

 

[Craig1969SS]

I'm quoting Cervantes on soil. 68 under the lights is the sweet spot for hydroponics

 

[DesertGrow89]

Glad you brought this up, so many people monitor their ambient temperature range and canopy, but few consider the temperature of their root zone. Perhaps plastic pots are the way to go in winter, do you use anything for chemical root pruning in your plastic pots?

 

[BobCajun]

ive observed all the variables I can think of and here they are. 10x12 room, window unit, 3x600, 1x400 hid lights. Ambient room temp 72-73 thermostat controlled. Smart pot root temperature 65-67. This was consistent whether on the floor or elevated on a 10" web pot x 4 mature plants in soil. Compare a same size regular plastic pot right next to them. Plastic pot root zone temperature 71-73 consistent whether on the floor or elevated x 4 mature plants. The plastic was close to ambient. All temps were taken 3 days and nights in a row with a industrial thermocouple measuring 3,5,10 gal pots with growing plants. It seems counterproductive to have soil that cold. Everywhere I've now read 72 is the sweet spot. 5-7 degrees! I used a heating pad to warm it up and it did but it cooled off again. The plastic pots were spot on. maybe this correlates to a lot of my plants taking weeks too long to finish? IDK I just snapped to why some were doing better than others never looking at the pots right in my mug.

It's because of the evaporation on the outside of the smart pots. It acts as a cooler. I know an easier way to root prune, take a long knife and go around the pot of soil about an inch in from the sides every now and then.

 

[St1kybudz]

Glad you brought this up, so many people monitor their ambient temperature range and canopy, but few consider the temperature of their root zone. Perhaps plastic pots are the way to go in winter, do you use anything for chemical root pruning in your plastic pots?

It's something spin out u paint it in your pots copper oxide I think

 

[vostok]

FACT: the bigger the rootball the bigger your yield!

so why grow in a pot that automatically restricts yield (via aero pruning)

for this reason I sold all my aero pots to the kid up the road,

hes very happy, and likes to play with them but he's only on his 5th grow,

and I returned to my old plastic pots ...very happy ...thank you ..because?

light getting at roots =bad

roots aero pruning =bad

water not getting into the central tap zone = bad

above all cause the pot is flexible it can and does distort the tap root

leading to stunted growth

check this out yourself come harvest and note how 'S' shaped the tap root is

Good Luck

 

[St1kybudz]

The shape of the tap root has nothing to do with yield clones have no tap root and yield more than most plants from seed and air pruning your roots promote a denser root ball witch promotes yeild

 

[chuck estevez]

I also gave up fabric pots and am back to using my plastics

 

[kmog33]

The shape of the tap root has nothing to do with yield clones have no tap root and yield more than most plants from seed and air pruning your roots promote a denser root ball witch promotes yeild

This started strong, but the part about clones yielding more than most plants... Dunno about that, in fact I can pretty much guarantee that the mom that came from seed that the clones came from grew faster and yielded more(had the potential to) than any clone taken from it or further generations. No clone will ever grow better than the seed it came from, not physically possible as it will never have a taproot.(plants main power intake source) it will only have secondary/branching roots.


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[St1kybudz]

This started strong, but the part about clones yielding more than most plants... Dunno about that, in fact I can pretty much guarantee that the mom that came from seed that the clones came from grew faster and yielded more(had the potential to) than any clone taken from it or further generations. No clone will ever grow better than the seed it came from, not physically possible as it will never have a taproot.(plants main power intake source) it will only have secondary/branching roots.


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Thanks for the laugh if it has the same genetics it is limiting by the same genetic factors the only other thing of influence is the environment if it has the same genetic limitations kit has the very same potential further more a tap root can only go so far in a pot or bucket or bag or whatever it is grown in and a clone can just as easily and just as fast become root bound in a container as a seed the smart pot is the way to go it prevents the roots from wrapping around the bottom of the pot and promotes root branching it's just like topping the plant but with the roots

 

[kmog33]

Thanks for the laugh if it has the same genetics it is limiting by the same genetic factors the only other thing of influence is the environment if it has the same genetic limitations kit has the very same potential further more a tap root can only go so far in a pot or bucket or bag or whatever it is grown in and a clone can just as easily and just as fast become root bound in a container as a seed the smart pot is the way to go it prevents the roots from wrapping around the bottom of the pot and promotes root branching it's just like topping the plant but with the roots

It's limited by the same genetic factors and the fact that it has no taproot. No true main cola. Every head/branch will be secondary. Genetic expression can change based on stress/conditions as well, especially if a strain isn't stabilized(which is most these days). Do some reading about what a taproot is and how it works and then come ball again and keep your statement in mind and you'll realize that the laugh is comparing the vigor of a clone to its mother/father plant with its entire root system.


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[St1kybudz]

68 degrees is the constant temp of the soil at a certain depth here it how deep we burry our water lines I would say that imitating mother earth would be the sweet spot

 

[kmog33]

The secondary roots that grow will never be as efficient at takin up Nutes as the taproot, also you'll never get a true main cola.

Which means, given the same veg time/environment, you will never eve able to yield as much nor will your biggest nug be as big as it could've being left naturally as the way the plant works when you top it is covert the main growth energy to the next node down (more or less)equally divided between the tops below.

Here's a google result, but there is tons of documentation and science behind this lol.

" Annual plants like cannabis were never “designed” to be maintained for years and years in order to maintain “clone only” varieties. Because these plants do not live for more than a year in natural conditions, perpetually fighting off environmental stresses, diseases and insects weakens the “vigor” of the genetics. The original plant from seed is capable of yielding more than a cloned offspring- the difference in yield only increases with time.

Cannabis plants grown from seed produce a Tap Root, cloned plants simply cannot-they produce a fibrous root system only. The Tap Root is a survival advantage in nature, as it is in any growing condition. A tap root not only more firmly anchors the plant down for better support, it is capable of driving downward to great depths in search of water and nutrients."

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[St1kybudz]

A main cola is the top bud and a clone will have a top bud clones will just have a different branching patern than a seedling that has yet to reach sexual maturity and I eat canna lit for breakfast everything you have read has been on the net I study published lit

 

[Craig1969SS]

I just started adding plastic pots and haven't dissected any yet . The fabric pots I've dissected after harvest was a solid mass of what looked like capillaries, really fine hairs. Just a few 2-3mm roots coming out of a rock wool cube that soon divided into the size of hairs. I have never found a taproot per se or any other sizeable root that was traceable to the bottom or sides. But yeah the edges were clean of any growth. The seeds sown were good Dutch passion genes and produced great plants and smoke.

 

[St1kybudz]

I just started adding plastic pots and haven't dissected any yet . The fabric pots I've dissected after harvest was a solid mass of what looked like capillaries, really fine hairs. Just a few 2-3mm roots coming out of a rock wool cube that soon divided into the size of hairs. I have never found a taproot per se or any other sizeable root that was traceable to the bottom or sides. But yeah the edges were clean of any growth. The seeds sown were good Dutch passion genes and produced great plants and smoke.

But still a solid mass right the plastics will have a ring off roots in the bottom

 

[kmog33]

A main cola is the top bud and a clone will have a top bud clones will just have a different branching patern than a seedling that has yet to reach sexual maturity and I eat canna lit for breakfast everything you have read has been on the net I study published litView attachment 3564535

No, a true main cola is the single growth you have at the top of mj when no cropping is done. Anytime the main growth(where the plant puts most of its energy) is removed, the plant takes the energy it was putting towards that growth and distributes elsewhere throughout the plant.

It's the whole point of topping and training... To get an even canopy. If you just bend the plant over without removing the true main cola, it will still end up being the largest nug on the plant, whereas if it is removed, with training, you can train most of then branches on a plant tondo about the same thing.




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[St1kybudz]

No, a true main cola is the single growth you have at the top of mj when no cropping is done. Anytime the main growth(where the plant puts most of its energy) is removed, the plant takes the energy it was putting towards that growth and distributes elsewhere throughout the plant.

It's the whole point of topping and training... To get an even canopy. If you just bend the plant over without removing the true main cola, it will still end up being the largest nug on the plant, whereas if it is removed, with training, you can train most of then branches on a plant tondo about the same thing.




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U top to get more than one cola but you are make n my head hurt and killing my buzz now I know why this site is dead u can't be helped

 

[kmog33]

U top to get more than one cola but you are make n my head hurt and killing my buzz now I know why this site is dead u can't be helped

You've been on this site for 2 months it looks like I don't know how you have resentments already. And I do t need help from someone who doesn't understand basic plant biology, that's like 9th grade stuff here. Any plant will have more than one cola check this girl out from summer. No topping, lots of colas, one true top though as I left my outdoor kind of do its thing.
I'm just trying to spread factual knowledge over bs. As I stated originally, your statement started strong, there was just some wonkiness at the second part of what you were trying to say as far as clones outperforming their seed counterparts, which just is not true.


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