Smart pot vs Plastic pot observation-Indoors

Rrog

Rrog

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I believe fabric sides to be better for the more natural soils. Better Micro life
 
BobCajun

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Smart pots will cause more evaporation of water in the grow space and will reduce the temperature of the medium, like a swamp cooler. Some people may want those effects, some may not. Supposedly cooler soil temp brings out more colors. If you don't want the cooling and extra humidity then an alternative would be manual root pruning. I find that by about week 3 of flowering my plants are quite rootbound. That's a good time to root prune, by taking a knife and cutting through the medium in a ring about an inch inside the pot rim and also randomly stabbing and cutting in the rest of the medium.

The only negative effect I noticed was a little browning of leaf tips, but within a week or so they are more vigorous than ever. Granted if you used large pots you'd need a sword to get near the bottom but it works well with smaller pots. If you do some defoliation in early flowering, that would be a good time to do the root pruning because with fewer leaves the water needs would be less so it would balance out more.
 
greasemonkeymann

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kmog33 said:
Ok so obviously wordy explanations don't work here so I'll try to make it easy.

Every seed has 1 taproot and 1 main cola.

Topping coverts energy from the primary cola and converts its energy to all of the branches/secondary colas. Hence evening out the distribution of power and your canopy.

Clones never have a taproot, nor true primary cola, that is why their growth is not symmetrical, like seeds.

While clones give uniformity and you know what to expect, The mother plant that was from seed will always grow more vigorously than any clone taken from it because it does not have a taproot. ( under the same conditions.)

Clones are great. Thy just don't truly produce more than their seed counterparts.


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The thing is though man.... cannabis isn't a "taproot" plant, (monocot)
those are carrots, radishes and the like.
Cannibis is a fibrous rooting plant (dicot)
The "taproot" is irrelevant.
After harvest pull the roots out, does the "taproot" go further than maybe two or three inches down?
Nope. that's a fibrous root system man, and that's why cannabis suffers so much during droughts and can take up so much food at once, that's why people get big ass harvests, because the root system is a fibrous type, not a taproot. that's totally different man.
Google monocot vs dicot roots, and their differences.
In fact the way they decipher between the two is based on the..... (copied)

Number of cotyledons -- The number of cotyledons found in the embryo is the actual basis for distinguishing the two classes of angiosperms, and is the source of the names Monocotyledonae ("one cotyledon") and Dicotyledonae ("two cotyledons"). The cotyledons are the "seed leaves" produced by the embryo. They serve to absorb nutrients packaged in the seed, until the seedling is able to produce its first true leaves and begin photosynthesis.

And DNA is DNA... a clone is the same as the mother.
that's a fact, the dna doesn't change when you clone, hence the whole allure of cloning.
 
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kmog33

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greasemonkeymann said:
The thing is though man.... cannabis isn't a "taproot" plant, (monocot)
those are carrots, radishes and the like.
Cannibis is a fibrous rooting plant (dicot)
The "taproot" is irrelevant.
After harvest pull the roots out, does the "taproot" go further than maybe two or three inches down?
Nope. that's a fibrous root system man, and that's why cannabis suffers so much during droughts and can take up so much food at once, that's why people get big ass harvests, because the root system is a fibrous type, not a taproot. that's totally different man.
Google monocot vs dicot roots, and their differences.
In fact the way they decipher between the two is based on the..... (copied)

Number of cotyledons -- The number of cotyledons found in the embryo is the actual basis for distinguishing the two classes of angiosperms, and is the source of the names Monocotyledonae ("one cotyledon") and Dicotyledonae ("two cotyledons"). The cotyledons are the "seed leaves" produced by the embryo. They serve to absorb nutrients packaged in the seed, until the seedling is able to produce its first true leaves and begin photosynthesis.

And DNA is DNA... a clone is the same as the mother.
that's a fact, the dna doesn't change when you clone, hence the whole allure of cloning.
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Not always identical. But yes clones are genetically identical to the mother, but will never have a taproot like the mother and variations of expression of its genetics can happen. There are a ton of different alluring things about clones. They're great, I haven't said they aren't. Uniformity and knowing what to expect is good. And on longer taproots, yes I have had 2' taproots outdoors, and the taproot in my dwc grows in a spiral in the rez pots.

Here's some info from Oxford on cloning.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110804212931.htm


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woody333333

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greasemonkeymann said:
The thing is though man.... cannabis isn't a "taproot" plant, (monocot)
those are carrots, radishes and the like.
Cannibis is a fibrous rooting plant (dicot)
The "taproot" is irrelevant.
After harvest pull the roots out, does the "taproot" go further than maybe two or three inches down?
Nope. that's a fibrous root system man, and that's why cannabis suffers so much during droughts and can take up so much food at once, that's why people get big ass harvests, because the root system is a fibrous type, not a taproot. that's totally different man.
Google monocot vs dicot roots, and their differences.
In fact the way they decipher between the two is based on the..... (copied)

Number of cotyledons -- The number of cotyledons found in the embryo is the actual basis for distinguishing the two classes of angiosperms, and is the source of the names Monocotyledonae ("one cotyledon") and Dicotyledonae ("two cotyledons"). The cotyledons are the "seed leaves" produced by the embryo. They serve to absorb nutrients packaged in the seed, until the seedling is able to produce its first true leaves and begin photosynthesis.

And DNA is DNA... a clone is the same as the mother.
that's a fact, the dna doesn't change when you clone, hence the whole allure of cloning.
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So now pot plants don't have a tap root?.....lol

I've been telling all of you for years your smart pots are retarded....... Plastic squares are the only way that makes sense
 
greasemonkeymann

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woody333333 said:
So now pot plants don't have a tap root?.....lol

I've been telling all of you for years your smart pots are retarded....... Plastic squares are the only way that makes sense
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not in the sense that he is thinking, no.
They are not a monocot root system.
They are dicots.
I've never in my life had a taproot in the center of my containers.
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That is a taproot.
 
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woody333333

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greasemonkeymann said:
not in the sense that he is thinking, no.
They are not a monocot root system.
They are dicots.
I've never in my life had a taproot in the center of my containers.
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I started skimming when I seen people arguing whether marijuana has a tap root and that clones yield better than plats from seed..... Went crazy town in here

Plants from seed do have a tap root..... Clones don't

Smart pots are retarded
 
Rrog

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I've had a theory for years that it may be possible for the phenotype to wander thru subsequent generations. You hear this mentioned from time to time. If it occurs, it could be due to lack of UV. More anecdotal info suggests placing the mother or clone in sunlight re-sets the pheno display.

Just a theory
 
Rrog

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I have run 15 gallon geopots with blumat drippers and love it. Next room is 25 or 30 gallon geopots with at least blumats. Might go up a notch in automation, however
 
240sxing

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I recently went back to plastic , soil temps got down in the 50s Fahrenheit using smart pots and caused a lockout , although I don't think there bad just not working well with my setup. Although I just wrapped them in blanket to combat the lower canopy temps. Another thing was watering was just a pain and hard to get runoff.
 
greasemonkeymann

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Rrog said:
I've had a theory for years that it may be possible for the phenotype to wander thru subsequent generations. You hear this mentioned from time to time. If it occurs, it could be due to lack of UV. More anecdotal info suggests placing the mother or clone in sunlight re-sets the pheno display.

Just a theory
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ahh that's an interesting theory, I had the opposite idea regarding UV that could damage DNA...
Thinking that UV damage could change dna to an extent... hmmm
But it was allll a stoner-induced theory..
I ran clones off clones off clones of the same strain for yrs and yrs (J1, jack herer, and bluedream)
never noticed a difference at all, with anything.
EXCEPT...
I noticed they cloned a lil slower
but I also didn't have my clone "game" quite dialed in
(ez cloner rules)
 
Rrog

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UV had been shown to trigger some gene expression, so lack of UV arguably could suppress an expression maybe.

There are sooo many mechanisms for DNA repair from UV ( and other) that I would think any pheno wandering would be due to something getting turned off.

I can't recall someone saying that the smoke was better after 15 generations, only discussions of how the plant went to shit... It lost something... Hence my thought that something subtle was turned off. Maybe a gene for some flavonoid or turpene. Or the ratio of THC / CBD, etc
 
greasemonkeymann

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Rrog said:
UV had been shown to trigger some gene expression, so lack of UV arguably could suppress an expression maybe.

There are sooo many mechanisms for DNA repair from UV ( and other) that I would think any pheno wandering would be due to something getting turned off.

I can't recall someone saying that the smoke was better after 15 generations, only discussions of how the plant went to shit... It lost something... Hence my thought that something subtle was turned off. Maybe a gene for some flavonoid or turpene. Or the ratio of THC / CBD, etc
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15 generations of cloning? or a F15?
Cuz I cloned for probably 20 or 30 generations
No issues
 
Rrog

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It's not widespread but over the years there have been plenty of posts across enough forums by top growers that it seems to be a real thing and likely maybe only to a very occasional strain. It's more rare of an event
 
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