DesertGrow89
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Do you ever taper your lights from 12/12 down to 10/14? Also do you drown your plant roots pre-harvest to allegedly speed the curing process? Think I'll try it on at least two plants and see..
315 Watt LEC CMH 4200/3000k, 3x Barneys Farm LSD, 1x Bubba Kush (Organic /Natural Based)
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GroErr
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Hey, no I don't make any light changes, running them at 12.5/11.5 but I run perpetual in the flower room so I always have 2 rounds offset by 3-4 weeks so I can't really do that. I've read about that drowning thing but haven't tried it. I do throw them in the dark for a couple of days before chopping, mainly because I'm lazy about trimming/chopping - lol.
DesertGrow89
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Yeah, definitely took the pot size and veg time a bit far this time. I'll be sticking to seven gals max and ~1.5ft tall in veg. Disappointed in the freebie it's putting out probably less than half of what the LSD are producing. One more month atleast, they are going to be a bitch to trim.
2ANONYMOUS
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To be honest you should try to keep them in the 83 - 88 degree i Have grown for well to many years on when most people were still in diapers lol ..
Here is how one should look at it when heating up water molecules tend to start moving around faster right when using this concept to plant temps , for every 10 degree raise in plant temps the metabolic rate doubles everything doubles except nutrient uptake which decreases meaning plants respiratory system will infact increase ...
So more volume of actual water is needed and less nutrients is needed
so for instance i used to grow plants @ 77 and it grew good but when i increased ambient temps to 10 degrees hotter my 2 week old clone compared to 76 degree @ 2 week was double the size of the colder temp
only down fall with running temps hotter is RH increases goal is Finding right VPD and look the hell out my 5 week old plants look like a plant grown 8 weeks monster sized
borbor
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oh wow are they in 10 gallons? I must have missed that. after I revegged my starbud I put it in a 15 gallon smart pot, up from the 7 gallon I used the first time, I definitely would have been fine to put it in a 10, after its second flowering I couldn't see nearly as many roots coming out of the bottom of the 15 as I expected.
And who knows, the taste on that bubba kush could knock the lsd right out!
DesertGrow89
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Thanx for the advice but 83-88 is a 5 degree range, do you mean during lights on? Plants need a ~15 degree drop in temperature during lights off for carbohydrate production. When night temperatures are high, plants use up carbs created during the day through respiration rather than creating more tissue mass...
DesertGrow89
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Think it's a buba kush can you tell by the leaves? Was just guessing I wasn't really paying attentinon when I popped it lol. You're right, was thinking the same thing. Chocolate rain from sannies next round should be some dank smoke! Have you tried any of their gear?
borbor
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oh I just thought it was bubba from the thread title haha, just looked at the first post, if the freebie was labeled that way that's probably right I'm guessing.
Haven't tried sannies, it's on my list of stuff to try, I just try to buy from whatever people on this forum are talking the most good about. my starbud was a freebie, and a damn lucky one!
Haven't tried sannies, it's on my list of stuff to try, I just try to buy from whatever people on this forum are talking the most good about. my starbud was a freebie, and a damn lucky one!
DesertGrow89
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No pic updates, but the yellowing has continued on the lower foliage at a slow rate.. Jacks Classic doesn't provide Ca or Mg, which I didn't realize for a while and I'll be fertilizing with Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro from here on out because it has a complete micro nutrient profile.
From what I've been reading it's also more difficult to prevent deficiencies with a 1:1:1 than a 3:1:2 because 3:1:2 is roughly what plant tissue is comprised of. Apparently if one provides more P than necessary it also creates excessive stretch.
Appreciate all of the help everyone has provided so far.
From what I've been reading it's also more difficult to prevent deficiencies with a 1:1:1 than a 3:1:2 because 3:1:2 is roughly what plant tissue is comprised of. Apparently if one provides more P than necessary it also creates excessive stretch.
Appreciate all of the help everyone has provided so far.
DesertGrow89
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The LSD started showing colored pistils this monday, one cola is about a foot long and 2.5 inches wide. I've reduced feedings from 1/2 to 1/4 strength, with every watering, twice a week. Really need to invest in a reservoir as it would make life easier, I've been lugging gallons of water from the kitchen sink to these ten gallon pots, never again lol. Hoping for "bout a pound", but would be happy with ~300g. Barneys claims they are capable of producing 700g/m2. Their terpenes are beginning to give off a nice scent that I can't really describe, barneys calls it an "intense earthy chestnut with a sweet musky smell". Sure..
The LSD started showing colored pistils this monday, one cola is about a foot long and 2.5 inches wide. I've reduced feedings from 1/2 to 1/4 strength, with every watering, twice a week. Really need to invest in a reservoir as it would make life easier, I've been lugging gallons of water from the kitchen sink to these ten gallon pots, never again lol. Hoping for "bout a pound", but would be happy with ~300g. Barneys claims they are capable of producing 700g/m2. Their terpenes are beginning to give off a nice scent that I can't really describe, barneys calls it an "intense earthy chestnut with a sweet musky smell". Sure..
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DesertGrow89
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42Looking good in there, just reminded me that I have a few LSD's I should get to trying them, so many seeds, so little time
I know right? What seed bank are they from? Gotta look into becoming a caregiver so I can legally run a perpetual grow. Even then there isn't enough time to experience all these awesome strains!
The freebie is beginning to show colored pistils, and progressing at a rapid rate while the LSD is changing at a much slower pace. Attached below is a trichome development shot just for the hell of it I'll be including more of these pics in the future. There were a few amber trichs in there as well. The LSD has a lot of variance in pistil density across plants, some are wispy while others are more compact, perhaps it's because of light distribution or just being a newb. Also you may notice in the photos some leaf cupping due to high heat at the canopy level.
Ordered some 5 gallon rootmaker roottrapper II pots, I've heard great things and liked what they had to say about them, they were reasonably priced at ~$6.50 each:
http://www.horticulturesource.com/rootmaker-roottrapper-ii-5-gal-p23100/?keywords=roottrapper
Has anyone tried these?
Also got some 1 gallon plastic rootmakers, last time I tried vegging in fabric 1 gallons and it make transplant a chore as the roots clung to the pots... Wouldn't do it again and wouldn't recommend it.
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GroErr
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Buds are looking great! Not sure where I originally bought them but they're Barney's. idk if it's been shit luck or me but I've yet to pop anything resembling a keeper from Barney's probably why I haven't gone back to pop some of those LSD's
Haven't tried those rootmakers, still using standard fabric pots as they build a nice root system. Not sure what they're talking about when they refer to root circling and water retention in standard fabrics. I'm watering almost any size every 3 days on average and the odd strain like that new Blue Ripper pheno every 2 days in a 7gal. I do keep them directly off the catch tray though so they get some air and don't trap water under them.
DesertGrow89
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Hmm that is unfortunate, what seed banks do you recommend? I've heard Dr. Greenthumb produces excellent stuff, their prices are also outrageous. Their G13 looks like a monster, a strain that is on my list. Also have some Mazar from dutch passion sitting in my freezer but don't want to pop those yet as LSD is a very similar strain..
Who knows maybe it's just marketing mumbo jumbo but as they were reasonably priced it couldn't hurt. It looks like they don't drain on the bottoms, only on the side bottom. Likewise on the watering, tens are just too big or the pots I have are crappy, the top half of the pot dries out while the lower is still damp. They are sitting in round 18gal storage containers with beer bottles used as risers hehe.
Who knows maybe it's just marketing mumbo jumbo but as they were reasonably priced it couldn't hurt. It looks like they don't drain on the bottoms, only on the side bottom. Likewise on the watering, tens are just too big or the pots I have are crappy, the top half of the pot dries out while the lower is still damp. They are sitting in round 18gal storage containers with beer bottles used as risers hehe.
TheChemist77
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lookin good,, how you like the ceramic? im really happy i switched,, i wondered about adding some hps in the 1st weeks of flower as the cmh doesnt stretch plants much..but very happy with the yields so far and potency is better than ever
GroErr
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I've used a bunch of different banks myself. Seed-City probably more than others as they have a wide selection of breeders there and their prices are decent, never had a problem with delivery.
If your pots are drying out at the top and not the bottom, the plant is likely too small for the pot. Indoor 7's are good and can handle some large plants. I'll be running my first 10gal indoor under the LEC but using the 210w bulb next since it'll only be about 2x3 footprint. 10gal fabrics can fit a lot of roots, ran 2x 10gal fabrics outdoor this past summer and produced 19 zips from these 2 plants below, pots were filled with roots, for the last 4-5 weeks of flowering I was watering them every other day.
DesertGrow89
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Thanks! Loving it, the efficiency is great and as you say the quality should be excellent. May have to get one more do you have a recommendation for a specific model? I'm wondering how the sun system compares to the nanolux, and other models assuming they are similar another cheap option is just a 330w philips allstart cmh bulb and 400w magnetic ballast.
Why do you want stretch? I imagine increasing length from canopy to base would just require more light. Also the tent is in my living room and the hps is harsh on the eyes, even with indirect light. The main reason I'm using it is for heat and I may switch it out with an mh bulb shortly.
DesertGrow89
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Yeah I was just wondering which one's specifically are the best, don't want to purchase anything without a solid recommendation or some research. Read that about the bulb in your journal, which ballast are you running with it? That would make sense about the pots, as time goes on the perched water table is diminishing, so atleast the roots are still growing. I often check with a cheap soil moisture probe because I'm a newb, lol.
Wish I could grow outdoor, the options around here are lame there are too many small children running around at all hours of the day, no fences around.