Am I growing the wrong strains? CBD for profit?

[Bob Zmuda]

IME nobody wants the cbd strains unless they are truly sick. Your typical stoner wants high thc heavy bag appeal and a name they like.

Again just my experience. Last night I showed a guy a bunch of clone only strains that are killer. But he's had headband, sour d, gg4 before....(or thinks he has). So he chooses the 2 with the cool sounding names he's never tried. (Cobra lips and bodacious) which are both great also. But I could have guessed he was gonna choose those.
Stoners are fickle these days.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

IME nobody wants the cbd strains unless they are truly sick. Your typical stoner wants high thc heavy bag appeal and a name they like.

Again just my experience. Last night I showed a guy a bunch of clone only strains that are killer. But he's had headband, sour d, gg4 before....(or thinks he has). So he chooses the 2 with the cool sounding names he's never tried. (Cobra lips and bodacious) which are both great also. But I could have guessed he was gonna choose those.
Stoners are fickle these days.

THC's good for PTSD, insomnia, nausea, cancer, inflammation, and wasting such as with AIDS.

 

[Indagrow]

CBD vape oil is my end game... I'd do some shit for a 55 gal drum

 

[bluntmassa1]

Charlotte's Web is one of the first high CBD strains, it was bred right here in Ft Collins.

Really that was before Cannatonic? I know I heard of Cannatonic before Charlottes Web I was thinking they must have made f2's or something and got lucky finding one with barely any THC. Probably would be the best bet trying to find a mostly CBD mother should give you a better chance to find that CBD rich mother they use to enrich all them lines their putting out.

 

[ttystikk]

Really that was before Cannatonic? I know I heard of Cannatonic before Charlottes Web I was thinking they must have made f2's or something and got lucky finding one with barely any THC. Probably would be the best bet trying to find a mostly CBD mother should give you a better chance to find that CBD rich mother they use to enrich all them lines their putting out.

Dunt know much more than I just mentioned. I feel strongly about the value of THC in cannabis, so that's what I stick with.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

Let me ask you this, why is it all these giant grow warehouses run 1K's?

I mean there has to be a reason right?

Yeah it's called penetration and plant counts.

it's called end weight over electric bill. lumen count is way better with 600's just saying. If you don;lt give a fuck about a 100K electric bill you rock out with yer cock out man.

 

[qwizoking]

My elec is .06kwh and free from 10pm-6am
I could care less about elec
Seriously. Its not hurting my profit much at all

Going 8/16 works to lower costs,3 cycles per light as well as many things.
If your decent, your bud should be around $.30 per gram
600'S gave more more larf i had to turn to hash, the light diminishes faster, cant argue that...

My weed will still sell at $100 an oz in an illegal state and make me serious bank. When multiple lbs are sold a day
Practicing our business models for decades...



1Ks over here....
I still have an old 6 over seedlings though

 

[OGEvilgenius]

But I'm talking extremely low amount of THC, like pure CBD strains. I love sativas myself but I'll buy them before I grow them, now since I live here..

Even with that being said, I am pretty sure finding a real 16 to 18 week pure sativa is still probably really hard to find here. But sativas still have THC and some sativas have the highest THC known to man.

Plenty of quicker pure sativas than that. Malawai.. pretty sure Burmese too. Quite a few more. Also, there are excellent sativa dom hybrids around as well that will fetch you top dollar... at least around here. Demand for sativas is pretty high. Supply, not so much.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

My elec is .06kwh and free from 10pm-6am
I could care less about elec
Seriously. Its not hurting my profit much at all

Going 8/16 works to lower costs, as well as many things.
If your decent, your bud should be around $.30 per gram
600'S gave more more larf i had to turn to hash, the light diminishes faster, cant argue that...

My weed will still sell at $100 an oz in an illegal state and make me serious bank. When multiple lbs are sold a day
Practicing our business models for decades...



1Ks over here....
I still have an old 6 over seedlings though

Buying 600w fixtures is going to be pricier initial cost to get similar output as well. More bulbs. More reflectors. Still, would be worth running the numbers probably if you were running a large operation. I suspect the 1000w wins.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

can you get charlotte's web in seed form? I did a quick look and franks gift but they seem clone only

 

[bluntmassa1]

it's called end weight over electric bill. lumen count is way better with 600's just saying. If you don;lt give a fuck about a 100K electric bill you rock out with yer cock out man.

But overall costs?? Fuck no!! It costs about the same for a new bulb 600 or 1,000 and they need to be replaced just as often. Then extra ballasts which don't cost much less than the 1,000 ballasts. Then damn near double the reflectors which costs about as much as the ballasts for an efficient one. Sure you may get a cunt hair more GPW but in the long run 1,000W is much cheaper even if you are 100% illegal because cops don't kick in doors over a power bill they kick in doors when you fuck up. Also $100k power bill might be $90k with the same yield and on that scale the equipment will cost so fucking much you won't be able to afford the light bill anyway.

Only reason I have 600's is because of forums and I regret taking that advice they do great for veg though. I'm just glad I came around before the LED's came out.

 

[ODanksta]

Ok I'm not going to get into an argument about about 600 or 1000. But I'll break it down really quick. 600's are awesome, hands down. You can plug 2 of them safely into on socket. You can cover a larger area with smaller plants.

But I have dialable 1K ballast so I can run at 50% 75% or 100% sure the bulbs spectrum weakens running a 1K bulb at 50%, BUT all you have to do is buy 600w bulbs if you run at 50%. But I never do that because I run mine at full blast. But lets talk about dutch style lighting. It's basically leaving the lights in a fixed height and letting the plants grow into them. Sounds stupid I know, but it works great.

So look at example (sorry this is a new grow nothing impressive)

These are teens we are letting grow into the light.



Yeah I might be wasting a little bit of light, but not concerned about it. I have an army of clones and seedling about to go under..

They have plenty of light to turn into healthy 5' foot moms. I could keep this height and coverage with a 600

It's nice to have the extra power of a 1K if needed. I can turn my 1K down but you can't turn a 600 up.. If that makes sense..




But like I stated yes 600 are awesome. I did this with a 600 and yielded 22 ounces.










But I did this with a 1K running at 50% in veg and transition, 75% during the first 4weeks of flwr, then ran at 100% until it finished and pulled 30+ ounces



I don't have pics of when it finished unfortunately.. But you get the point. Now let's consider stacking multiple of these in a 10k room. I'd hit that magical gram per watt #.

@Unclebaldrick

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

But overall costs?? Fuck no!! It costs about the same for a new bulb 600 or 1,000 and they need to be replaced just as often. Then extra ballasts which don't cost much less than the 1,000 ballasts. Then damn near double the reflectors which costs about as much as the ballasts for an efficient one. Sure you may get a cunt hair more GPW but in the long run 1,000W is much cheaper even if you are 100% illegal because cops don't kick in doors over a power bill they kick in doors when you fuck up. Also $100k power bill might be $90k with the same yield and on that scale the equipment will cost so fucking much you won't be able to afford the light bill anyway.

Only reason I have 600's is because of forums and I regret taking that advice they do great for veg though. I'm just glad I came around before the LED's came out.

the lumen count is much better value in a 600w than a 1k. simple as man.

 

[bluntmassa1]

the lumen count is much better value in a 600w than a 1k. simple as man.

Overall cost and maintenance. It ain't that much more efficient. Unless maybe you are growing trees like OD but in a legal state plant counts matter so the 1,000 still wins. Both can be good just depends on your style and plant counts come into play if you are legal. My bill ain't that bad but I don't pay that .35 a kwh. Lol, then I might care about efficiency on lights. But I would love qwizokings free nights and his power rate is a little lower.

 

[ttystikk]

Mmmmmm..... free power... might even keep running hps...

Not. There are lots of reasons for using more efficient lighting. Only one of them is saving power.

 

[Corso312]

I don't understand why these warehouses aren't running all LEDs, I bet you could buy the 3590 cobs for 25-30$ a piece wholesale.. Drivers @ wholesale and build 100 lights.. The power savings and increased yield would pay itself off after 2 harvests.

 

[a mongo frog]

I don't understand why these warehouses aren't running all LEDs, I bet you could buy the 3590 cobs for 25-30$ a piece wholesale.. Drivers @ wholesale and build 100 lights.. The power savings and increased yield would pay itself off after 2 harvests.

How does the pay for itself thing work out? Like the power savings pays for the lamps after so much savings?

 

[Corso312]

The power savings from lights and the cooling, Gotta assume these warehouses are using big rooftop units to cool that..those ain't cheap to buy or run.

 

[Joedank]

So we are growing the heaviest indicas we can find, because back home the OG's bring the cash. But now living here and facing the fact of deflated prices. I am starting to wonder if I need to get in the CBD game and make tinctures and mail that shit to people who need it in illegal states. I know laws are changing about CBD. I'm sure legal authorities care a little less about CBD especially if you are trying to help people.

I heard that 55 gallon barrels of CBD oil here in Colorado sells for $800,000 on wholesale.


Opinions please.

cbd is legit .... many hash makers are telling me the CBD oil is great 2-1 on dabs . so i tried it an mang all my weirdness faded an i got shit done for the last few weeks . less argueing with my wife and my deamons seem smaller ...
i grow alot of durban and nev haze crosses for my dome, but since doing the cbds for the last little while . about 1000mgcbd and 500 mg thc mostly dabbed ...,the durban X nevhaze rosinwith cannatonic rosin dabbed is a very nice experince .....the cut franks gift in a drysift was a great experince the thc has little effect for me till i move fast...
it is a multifacted drug that can really help alot of folks while making you a good living . i am trying to grow CBD rich hemp var. for the oil and seed and not so much the fiber ... 500$ permit is going in as soon as ag dept accepts them (march 1st out here)

 

[twistedwords]

What the hell did you think would happen OP with thousands of growers everywhere and them all crossing their strains only at F1? Did you think you were on to something that no one else could do with this plant and that the prices wouldn't drop? The prices will eventually go down to 10 dollars an 1/8th and all high grade as that is all everyone is growing. Most will push themselves out do to competition and pricing models because hardly anyone has taken into account costs. Big business will come in and swoop up the market because they know what they are doing with costs and profits. Asking others here what you should do is quite foolish if you ask me because why would anyone else here tell you what they are doing so they cut their own throats. Doesn't make any sense.