LEC - Light-Emitting Ceramic

ttystikk

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And I'm going to start chiming in with yet another perspective on these lamps, as I'm replacing the rest of my HID lighting in veg with 315W CMH kits. In addition, my kits are wired into vertical bare socket cordsets and I'll be hanging my (open rated!) lamps.

Early pic of the first one installed, with a 600W HPS in the background;
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Bad Karma

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well, youre not explaining yourself to me, youre making a post as a respected user in a forum on the subject at hand. please take the personal element out of it. the only credibility i seek is the right to ask questions so we all can further our understanding :)

by definition 'looks bumpy' and 'penetrates deeper' are pretty subjective

i think that most people are more concerned with the uniformity of light it throws down, as measured by a par map (thats the kind of "data" i was looking for, your experience is also data but i think you get what i mean). reflectors vary wildly in coverage and uniformity. the sun systems looks like a great reflector, but performance should be #1 criteria

not bagging on your observations (or taking *any* personal jabs). Seems like a lot of people here acknowledge your skills and that youre a good guy. just realize subjective data is subjective data

and yes i boned it on my first run, so what, thats irrelevant. i hadnt used hid in 6 or 7 years and set the height of canopy to get 1000 umol, an intensity which happens to grow dense golf balls under my LEDs. note to self, will shoot for 500-700 next time with the LECs

youre the only person i know who has both of these, would be a great service to the community to hang them each at 36" and compare the footprints. Good chance your right, but apart from having data, we may never know.

as for ballast efficiency, again were just guessing. par map over a given area combined with watts at wall would tell a lot
When Photons hit a flat, mirrored surface, they follow the angle of the reflection. So one bounce off of the reflector and down onto the canopy they go.
So a reflector, with no flat surface, and is uneven, like the Phantoms, will cause the Photons to bounce around off the reflector multiple times before eventually heading downwards. The more times they bounce around, the less energy they have to travel, and penetrate said canopy with.
This principle of science is called focus and is not subjective.
 

ttystikk

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When Photons hit a flat, mirrored surface, they follow the angle of the reflection. So one bounce off of the reflector and down onto the canopy they go.
So a reflector, with no flat surface, and is uneven, like the Phantoms, will cause the Photons to bounce around off the reflector multiple times before eventually heading downwards. The more times they bounce around, the less energy they have to travel, and penetrate said canopy with.
This principle of science is called focus and is not subjective.
And this is why, when I ran reflectors, I always preferred the clean hard bounce to the hammered finish garbage.

No reflector is still and always better.
 

BOBBY_G

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When Photons hit a flat, mirrored surface, they follow the angle of the reflection. So one bounce off of the reflector and down onto the canopy they go.
So a reflector, with no flat surface, and is uneven, like the Phantoms, will cause the Photons to bounce around off the reflector multiple times before eventually heading downwards. The more times they bounce around, the less energy they have to travel, and penetrate said canopy with.
This principle of science is called focus and is not subjective.
there are those (not me per se) who are of the mindset that absolute mirror ("specular") reflectance is less desirable as it creates hotspots relative to a diffuse reflector (flat white paint/hammered/etc). i think this is a more popular idea for orca vs mylar, etc.

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/refln/Lesson-1/Specular-vs-Diffuse-Reflection
 
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ttystikk

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there are those (not me per se) who are of the mindset that absolute mirror ("specular") reflectance is less desirable as it creates hotspots relative to a diffuse reflector (flat white paint/hammered/etc). i think this is a more popular idea for orca vs mylar, etc.

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/refln/Lesson-1/Specular-vs-Diffuse-Reflection
Years of experimentation have led me to these personal rules;

When the bounce surface is close to the plants, go with orca, panda, name your white animal plastic.

When the bounce is near the light source, I want that bounce as hard as possible; redo my hair in the mirror clean bounce.

EDIT: ...and no bounce is always better.
 
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Sire Killem All

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Whats the footprint your getting at that height?
I can say this these lights are intense, didn't account for the fact I raised the ScroG so the plants ended up closer then 30" for two days, was closer to 26". They taco'd a lil raised the lights up to 34". Getting good light across my 4x4 setup. As to the flat vs hammered reflector I don't have much of a opinion, but these have hammered sides and flat front/back20160320_012026.jpg
 

ScottyBlaze1

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And I'm going to start chiming in with yet another perspective on these lamps, as I'm replacing the rest of my HID lighting in veg with 315W CMH kits. In addition, my kits are wired into vertical bare socket cordsets and I'll be hanging my (open rated!) lamps.

Early pic of the first one installed, with a 600W HPS in the background;
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Quick questions if you dont mind, but how close can i keep my 1000 watt hps bare bulb verts to my plants and whats the best height to place them?
 

Black Thumb

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The 400 watt CMH from htgsupply, is this a real CMH bulb or just a 400 watt MH being called a cmh ?
Im interested in these because they are $180 for the whole fixture bulb hood ballast.
Anyone know if these are legit CMH ?
 

GroErr

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The 400 watt CMH from htgsupply, is this a real CMH bulb or just a 400 watt MH being called a cmh ?
Im interested in these because they are $180 for the whole fixture bulb hood ballast.
Anyone know if these are legit CMH ?
Different tech, ballast & bulb. This thread refers to ballasts/fixtures that can drive Philips Elite Agro 315w (they also make a 210w).
 

GroErr

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thanks, i figured under$200 was WAY to good to be true.
Yeah, the least expensive option for these 315's is advancedtech, bare bulb and 220/240v ballast for $200. That comes with a mogul socket bulb which can fit in pretty well any reflector.
Cheapest kit with a reflector right now seems to be the Nanolux, with a 10% lighting discount right now they'd fall in around $295
 

bicit

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Growlite is being quiet about their double end 315w bulb. Won't give me a data sheet, price, or release date.....
 
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