zep_lover
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no co2 just massive air movement.the first 5 weeks i was lucky to hit lights on temp of 68.64 to 66 lights off.not good parameters for a test.
O.C. GG#4 In the SunCloak 4416
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Hybridway
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Was that your first time using that DIY/3590's? That's a real nice set-up. Yeah, I've heard about poeple having temp issues being to low w/ their LEDs. I couldn't even imagine being a HPS grower what that would be like! I think adding some 680-730nm monos would heat things up a lil for leaf temp at least & give you that swell. If you're into that? Some say add more COBs, I'd do both personally! Bang that thing @ 450-500 COB watts & another 100 in monos! I wish I was a DIY'r. So many options! My buddies killing it w/ a strip light he made in a custom hood w/ the best stuff he could get & consulting the companies. I'to like that GrowMax light Kind've. I'll ask him if I can show poeple cuz it's the real deal.
The SC is starting to impress me more now. I've noticed the buds may be smaller but there are many & they are all dense. So, if they swell up some more, it may be a bitch of a trim cuz it's a million lil buds instead of colas to trim then just clip down later, but it should all be bag quality for the most part. Many were wondering about density, as of now they are hardening up nicely! Allota frost/Trichlones development as well. I gotta clean the plants up again so don't mind the wind-burn on some leaves.
Ok, i think I've made a mistake that may have effected my grow. The 6 plants in the SC take about a day longer to drink up the whole pot then the 3 n 3 under 2 other lights on the other side of the room. They have more light on less plants. Plus they have a 20" box fan directly on them on low & the Cloak only has a small oscillating tower fan under it. I gotta even that out n out the other tower fan on that side. Anyways, I've been feeding the whole room at the same time, every time. Meaning the 6 in the Cloak never get dry n I'm feeding them again. Maybe others do this but that's not my style & I think it's important to let them finish between feeds.
So, as of now I'll be feeding the room one side at a time now. It's no fault of the Cloak it's just a wicked lotta plant, lol! Hopefully this hasn't hurt me to bad. I feel it has as I've never done this & have had negative experiences over feeding when one plant in a big room isn't keeping up. Some pics!
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zep_lover
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that is a jungle.i just finished chopping the led cabinet.the buds were small but were covered in trichs.it was my first attempt with the new lights i made.the ccol temps really hurt the yield.i switched back to my double 600 hps stacked.the next four plants were too big to waste under a horizontal screen.all four for the next crop were already over the bottom bulb.the next one will be ready to flip after a few days to get used to the new lights.they were vegged under one of the cxb light bars one 50 watt cob per plant in veg works great for 4 weeks before going in the flower box.
Hybridway
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Some of the Oil from the trim run. 450g=68g's 
I can now utilize my trim & pop-corn w/ the best oil guy around thanks to my man @smackadack for booking it up. Thanks homie! You the man! Thanks for the new MILFS too!
I can now utilize my trim & pop-corn w/ the best oil guy around thanks to my man @smackadack for booking it up. Thanks homie! You the man! Thanks for the new MILFS too!
OneHitDone
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Do the led's in the Sun Cloak burn holes in leaves that are real close or to the diode the way 660nm mono's do?
Hybridway
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Not holes but lil white spots if the leaf's laying directly against them stagnant from all movement or air circulation. That's one reason an oscillating fan is important. I noticed, once I had proper air circulation, the dot problem was over. The air circulation prevents it from happening because the leaf has to be laying directly on the diodes w/ no air movement for it to happen. But I noticed it did not hurt the plant in any way. No bleaching tips or anything like that either. My Hydropinics Hut light is bleaching the tips on a few buds I noticed. I think that bleaching happens from to much 660. Fluence Bio explained it to me best when explaining the reason why they (BML) changed the Grow-Max to their (FluenceBio) new spectrum.
A few pics. They're pretty frosty, real oily, smells strong, & they're dense. So a I'm happy so far. I see them getting bigger every other day! I need to do another De-Fo soon & finally get things adjusted n straightened out a lil if that's possible. It is a mess in there.
Hybridway
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Well, I knew this was gonna happen. I got Spider-Mites. This GG#4ish is prone to them plus I found out last run (HPS) that the mites are also very drawn to the heat from Intra-canopy lighting. Was messing around with CFL's under the canopy n got em on the GG last run.
So, now comes the IP-certification test. I'll be heavily spraying a product called "Quantum Apocolypse". It's a Neom oil based leaf shine product that's ok to use up to the last week of flower before harvest. Wouldn't want to use anything that far in but it's ok to. I'll spray now & again in 3 days right about when the eggs should hatch. It's never failed me before & doesn't effect the taste of the buds & is not harmful.
The real bitch is gonna be wiping down the blades after. Really glad it's rated for water. Time to test it out. Fingers crossed!
So, now comes the IP-certification test. I'll be heavily spraying a product called "Quantum Apocolypse". It's a Neom oil based leaf shine product that's ok to use up to the last week of flower before harvest. Wouldn't want to use anything that far in but it's ok to. I'll spray now & again in 3 days right about when the eggs should hatch. It's never failed me before & doesn't effect the taste of the buds & is not harmful.
The real bitch is gonna be wiping down the blades after. Really glad it's rated for water. Time to test it out. Fingers crossed!
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Hybridway
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Thanks! Never done a vert-grow but yours looked cool, got that running now you said? Retiring the COBs for now? I'd love to have those 4 light bars you have.
Hybridway
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Buds are smaller but there are many. Spraying last night I got to really get up in there. I'm wicked impressed w/ the buds & the density. There's a bunch of skinny stems like so skinny they would've been cut off thinking they're just sucker branches, but they have big heavy nugs on the end of them. It's incredible really cuz I normally would've cut them all off. Glad I didn't. There's serious weight contribution there. When I sprayed, many of them became to heavy & broke over, but they're laying on other sites supporting the breaks so they should all heal up to just be lil super-crops. Very happy with the Sun-Cloak. Pretty sure I'll be getting another but will hold off till harvest to decide & afford. Looking promising though. Like it's gonna do as well or better then my 1200w HPS in the same space.
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zep_lover
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the leds are waiting for a special built room for them.horizontal scrog is 1/4 the surface area of my normal vert scrog.i had 4 plants that were flipped today.not even one week in the cabinet after reloading. i never stopped the vert grows just tried the leds in one of my three flower cabinets.the other 2 were still rocking 1200 watts of hps with 4 vert plants tied to the walls.
NEEM OIL on flowers is BAD. don't use it. mites need to be controlled before flip to flowering or tolerated in the product, you spray shit like that and its in the garbage can.
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Hybridway
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Myself & other growers use it all the time. I did spray prior to flip. How is it bad? A guy that owns a grow-store down the rd. from me made it & it's very popular here. I've never had any negative effects from it & have sprayed in flower a few times before. I'll look up what I can but it says on the bottle you can use it up to the last week of flower. I've never used it past the 1/2,way mark. This is the furthest along I've had to use it. Other growers use it to w/ no negative effects or reviews. LMK why it's bad & I'll see what I can do to further educate myself. Thanks though!
cold pressed neem oil is basically a vegetable oil similar to peanut oil, almond oil or soybean oil. Its fine to consume orally. That's what is considered "safe" for consumption. Not as a smoked product.
If you spray on flowers you can't get rid of the "oil", so go ahead and smoke that. I'm sure that your lungs will appreciate that. Or better yet concentrate it and dab it. yummy, dabbing vegetable oil.
I use neem oil all the time in veg and as a root drench. But I never spray them on flowers since the flowers are a "smoked" product.
If you spray on flowers you can't get rid of the "oil", so go ahead and smoke that. I'm sure that your lungs will appreciate that. Or better yet concentrate it and dab it. yummy, dabbing vegetable oil.
I use neem oil all the time in veg and as a root drench. But I never spray them on flowers since the flowers are a "smoked" product.
Hybridway
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Absolutely no bad or foreign taste at all. No coughing or hacking from it either. I'll look into it though. That product is very popular out here, my grower friends & I have been using it for awhile now w/ no complaints. It's actually made for that. Last run I got some mites on the GG in the HPS Room I used a product called "Nuke Em" it's a citric acid based product. Worked well but the flowers & leaves didn't like it. Hairs receded n leaves got shitty in some places.
Don't want to contaminate the bud for sure but also don't wanna lose my crop to mites. The Apocolypse works wonders for me since I started growing & has never effected my crop that I or anyone else could tell. But I'll deffinetly look into it. Thanks for the insight.
go ahead coat your lungs with unnecessary vegetable oil.....
Airwalker16
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Geez man, lighten up.
don't tell me to lighten up ... all across Washington dumb 502 growers are being caught spraying all sorts of nasty shit on their flowers. Much worse than the tobacco industry. and here we have a case of "everybody else is doing it so it should be safe". Well its not and its giving growers a BAD rep.
do you want your lungs coated with neem oil ?
Airwalker16
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No not at all. And I personally would never use anything that wasn't water based if I ran Into that problem.
Yodaweed
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When applying neem oil during flower you should be spraying leafs not the buds. I agree he shouldn't spray the buds but also smoking mites is gross so he doesn't have a great other option, I would rather smoke the neem than the bugs.