High power COB -vs- hps vertical shoot out

CannaBruh

CannaBruh

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Emotionally invested...?

You seem to be upset I sold all my HPS and MHs and have no second thoughts about it?

Fluo... in my fluo experience compared to my limited experience with COB its no comparison. I can shove T5s into my eyeballs, you won't find me looking at COBs too often.


I'm speaking from anecdotal experiences and what little knowledge I can share. You seem very emotionally tied up into this. I can objectively walk away from COBs at the blink of an eye if new tech proves itself....can you??
 
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churchhaze

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We get it. You're an ultra-nationalist dutch guy. Do a favor for the rest of the Dutch people and quit acting like such an embarrassment here.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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About 4gpw according to the Bibled lol.. I may just get some philips instead just to fuck with the led fanboys here. Or an old blurple ufo. There were better looking blurple grown buds in the dutch grow forums already before anyone here produced something decent with white cobs designed for bay lighting... Same deal there, mostly uneducated glorified drugdealers who never had an interest in growing plants, but at least they don't kid themselves about what good results entail. People who pull 6 runs a year, max from the space they hace, instead of pretending they grow "efficient" when saving on electricity. If the white cobs were half as great as the led fanboys here pretend, @REALSTYLES wouldn't be living in the ghetto anymore. Same deal if he would have bought a gavtita and asked me for advice two years ago. He'd be the biggest gavita fanboy on the forum and be able to afford a visit to a barber.
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Man I'm really liking the philips bulb!!! Crazy growth, This DE tech is off the hook wish i would of started sooner. If i was to really switch over my thinking is id be able to drop 3k worth of lights out of a flower room. Pretty big savings really.
 
testiclees

testiclees

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What good would this thread be without the classic strawman attack from the led cult... just because led fanboys are hell bent on proving that "led works" doesn't mean I automatically have the desire to do the opposite. T5 "works" too. Please understand people with no desire to fool themselves don't do that black and white projection thing, it's a typical fanboy trait. Also typical are the empty accussations from the fanboys, they are all in your head and never actually follow a relevant quote or any valid arguments. In other words, just more bullshit.

I clearly stated I don't think it necessarily says much about the leds, the crap results I see are probably largely a result of people acting dumber than they are. Which fanboys do by definition.

What does not "work" is bullshit, ignorance, stupidity, bullshit, misinformation, bullshit, and intellectual dishonesty, and last but not least, bull shit. Things you guys produce very efficiently, but effectiveness is zero point zero. Things that like @REALSTYLES are only in the cannabis community because prohibition made it worthwhile for uneducated failures with nothing else to add to this planet. None of the led fanboys would be hired in a professional setting and in the rare exceptional case they'd be fired as soon as they open their mouth and thump bibled nonsense.

And no, I don't think we can. I got bored with you clowns. The led fanboys can only post strawmans and other classic dumb fallacies which makes it hard to even read one sentence of the constant blatant and shameless bullshitting going on in this forum. Can't admit to be wrong about something - and thus incapable of learning in the first place - cause then it's like saying in the led church "led doesn't work". You collectively decided your goal is to save electricity and efficient growing equates to saving electricity yet cry blasphemy when actual plants are introduced in the equation. Too stupid and literally hopeless.

No matter how many pics you post, it won't change how full of bullshit you guys are. Take my advice, go back to school or learn a trade or skill becauce much sooner than later you will be obsolete and laughed out of the cannabis industry.
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LOL, the strawman jawn is back. Dude you've gotta be kidding with the idiot nonsense that falls out your ass every time you open your hole. Your commitments are so preposterously unhinged they merit zero consideration. Your bloated ego blinds you to the writing on the wall. Remember your "intellectual honesty quest" lol you're a fucking loon.

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Flowki

Flowki

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Tis not vertical, but is interesting ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


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I also found it interesting when watching it a while back but he casually dropped in a mistake at the very end in regard to the hps being orientated the wrong way. I'm not an expert but that is lost light and in smaller grows you see people getting big hps closer due to easier managed canopy airflow on top of better footprint reflectors.

Don't care either way what is best anymore as it's a cash race the small consumer often loses in.. but if I was to choose I'd like to see all applicable angles.

That's what half the arguments on this thread derive from. Small timers spent X too much on the promised land. From what I can tell both lights in the optimal setups come out even. Hps runs hotter, if you're in a cold country that's heating saving. LED being cooler makes more sense in hot country's aside from the higher initial investment.
 
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genuity

genuity

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Flowki said:
I also found it interesting when watching it a while back but he casually dropped in a mistake at the very end in regard to the hps being orientated the wrong way. I'm not an expert but that is lost light and in smaller grows you see people getting big hps closer due to easier managed canopy airflow on top of better footprint reflectors.

Don't care either way what is best anymore as it's a cash race the small consumer often loses in.. but if I was to choose I'd like to see all applicable angles.

That's what half the arguments on this thread derive from. Small timers spent X too much on the promised land. From what I can tell both lights in the optimal setups come out even. Hps runs hotter, if you're in a cold country that's heating saving. LED being cooler makes more sense in hot country's aside from the higher initial investment.
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Best reply ever...
 
ttystikk

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Flowki said:
I also found it interesting when watching it a while back but he casually dropped in a mistake at the very end in regard to the hps being orientated the wrong way. I'm not an expert but that is lost light and in smaller grows you see people getting big hps closer due to easier managed canopy airflow on top of better footprint reflectors.

Don't care either way what is best anymore as it's a cash race the small consumer often loses in.. but if I was to choose I'd like to see all applicable angles.

That's what half the arguments on this thread derive from. Small timers spent X too much on the promised land. From what I can tell both lights in the optimal setups come out even. Hps runs hotter, if you're in a cold country that's heating saving. LED being cooler makes more sense in hot country's aside from the higher initial investment.
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Led makes usable heat.

DE makes too much.
 
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churchhaze

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Flowki said:
That's what half the arguments on this thread derive from. Small timers spent X too much on the promised land. From what I can tell both lights in the optimal setups come out even. Hps runs hotter, if you're in a cold country that's heating saving. LED being cooler makes more sense in hot country's aside from the higher initial investment.
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They don't come out even. The cob setup produces a lot more light per watt consumed. Learn the difference between a heater and a lamp.

If you include startup cost in the equation, HPS is likely the best choice for most growers, but that doesn't change the fact that cxb wipes the floor with gavita watt for watt. None of your opinions matter.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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churchhaze said:
They don't come out even. The cob setup produces a lot more light per watt consumed. Learn the difference between a heater and a lamp.

If you include startup cost in the equation, HPS is likely the best choice for most growers, but that doesn't change the fact that cxb wipes the floor with gavita watt for watt. None of your opinions matter.
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The dude was voicing his beliefs and your super angry and disrespectful. He simply was talking about climate and grow set ups.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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HPS creates plenty of "usable heat" of course. LED separates light and heat source. This is turned into a practical advantage because it separates light control from heat control. That however is forced and not always desirable or even needed. As long as the intake air is not too high and the exhaust matches than hps provides ideal temperatures for cannabis (around 28C). Hot summer days can be partly easily avoided by keeping veg time short and switching day and night. Pull cool night air from outside through the closet/tent and with 1-2 bulbs you don't need anything but the hps and exhaust to keep things acceptable all year around.

@testiclees Big words, no content, as usual. You getting tired of me pointing out dumb strawman attacks is a good thing imo. Straight up idiocracy that you don't yawn when reading another strawman instead of me pointing it out but that's your problem, not mine.
 
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churchhaze

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Sativied said:
HPS creates plenty of "usable heat" of course. LED separates light and heat source. This is turned into a practical advantage because it separates light control from heat control. That however is forced and not always desirable or even needed. As long as the intake air is not too high and the exhaust matches than hps provides ideal temperatures for cannabis (around 28C). Hot summer days can be partly easily avoided by keeping veg time short and switching day and night. Pull cool night air from outside through the closet/tent and with 1-2 bulbs you don't need anything but the hps and exhaust to keep things acceptable all year around.

@testiclees Big words, no content, as usual. You getting tired of me pointing out dumb strawman attacks is a good thing imo. Straight up idiocracy that you don't yawn when reading another strawman instead of me pointing it out but that's your problem, not mine.
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Bullshit. You have no idea how light and heat works. If you're really going to boast lower efficiency as a benefit, why not boast 250W HPS over than DE 1000W? It generates even MORE heat. Grow with incandescent because it wastes more "useful" energy.
 
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churchhaze

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HPS also separates the heat. It's a lamp. 42% of it goes down to warm the canopy while 58% of it heats the reflector and fixture. With my 49% efficient cxb setup, 49% of the heat goes down while 51% goes in the wrong direction (heat sink).

If you had a 100% efficient lamp, 100% of it would go down toward the canopy, the correct direction, while 0% gets trapped in the heat sink. Do you even understand what the purpose of the heat sink is?

More light = more radiation = more radiant heat.

I'm sorry if you can't understand that light = radiant heat.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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churchhaze said:
Despite all the doubters (liars) claiming that cobs can't beat HPS, all I've seen on cob journals is "ez mode" grows where the grower pulls over 1g/W. My own results reflect this as well. Why should I listen to the liars?
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of fluff, so what. AGAIN. 10 ounces of fluff or 6 ounces of dank top shelf with hps? No brainer for a smart guy!!
 
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