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sarah22

sarah22

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no prophecy...your not doing any fear mongering. i agree with you about that. you are certainly not trying to "scare" us into seeing your side...which is good. but a lot of fear mongering does take place...especially with the evangelical fundamentalist types...which im not saying you are...not at all. but i was reading in a magazine...i dont remember if it was time...or maclean's maybe? i dunno...it was at my grandparents house...lol. but there was an article about how poisonous religion can be...the magazines words...not mine. but in the article they talked about these "haunted house" type things that parents would take their children through...and there were actors and set ups throughout the whole thing of people doing sinful things...and it was meant precisely to scare these poor kids into believing and behaving. to me thats just plain wrong...and i think anyone with any common sense will agree...let me see if i can locate that article...it was crazy...i dont think anyone was specifically saying that you were fear mongering...just some religions in general. sorry if there was any misunderstanding there. to me the definition of "fear mongering" is using scare tactics to get people to believe what you want them to believe. scare them into doing things your way.
 
sarah22

sarah22

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and i know you take the position of "faith" but your position is "faith" in god. which means your position is a religious one as well. i have faith in myself. so i dont need to have faith in some imaginary delusion.
 
EarthlyPassions

EarthlyPassions

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I don't really currently have the defintion of fear mongering, but, I think that the things that I say are very reasonable.

Better before then after.

Is it fear mongering or scapegoating, cowardice and/or something like that?
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Whoops! Not you, Prophesy, you've got your beliefs, and you're just stating them.
I'm talking about Westboro Baptist Church Home Page, and people like that.
 
Kludge

Kludge

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I think at least 8 out 10 religious persons are mentally manipulated into being that way by their environment or an ill minded person. In other words, I think religion is a predominately nurtured condition rather than a natured or natural condition. In other words, I believe religion is primarily learned. It seems to me that the natural manifestation of it (as oppose to the spiritual nature of it) is influenced by a combination of (situational or circumstantial mental and physiological development of the human body) natural chemical process that periodically occur within the human body similar to, if not exactly like the physiological conditioning that takes place during puberty.

The chemical disposition of the human body is always changing, however, in this example, I will recognize two climax that take place after birth: during adolescent (puberty) and during adulthood (rights of passage). These are the physiological aspects of this combination.

The second part of the combination is pertaining to the brain and the mind. As many ought to know, the mind is generally associated to the brain; and the brain is obviously naturally connected to the human body’s physiological system. Therefore, as the physiological system evolves over the years, it is safe to say the brain does also; this change affects the brain from the inside of the body. The mind on the other hand is affected by the various things on the outside of the body; things that exist within our environments and/or cultures. Mindfully speaking, I believe those who are physically gay or in question of their sexuality are experiencing a bout similar to an identity crisis that is the result of not essentially knowing who they really are (as in delusion); and likely because of some degree of emotional trauma, neglect and/or ignorance (lacking knowledge of something).

Self-discipline is very important in life; unless you have discipline over your self (the natural impulses), you will have discipline over nothing that affects you. Self-discipline is also a very important/essential factor in religion and every other abuse/trauma, lust, carnality or addiction; some religious people may feel (en)trapped because they physically acted out and someone in their mind is manipulated that act. These types of friends and/or family are not necessarily healthy for your essential well being righteous development ( this is not to say that that the friend or family member or whatever is conscience of what they do themselves or how they conduct themselves pertaining to themselves let alone you; this is why it is important for you, the actual individual to take initiative and control over your mind/own life’s understanding/destiny). This is not calling you to bring premature judgment of such people before you take the time to bring the appropriate (super)natural) order into your life: mind, body, soul that you may take the necessary time to collect your thoughts without burning any unnecessary bridges.
 
Prophecy

Prophecy

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Kludge said:
I think at least 8 out 10 religious persons are mentally manipulated into being that way by their environment or an ill minded person. In other words, I think religion is a predominately nurtured condition rather than a natured or natural condition. In other words, I believe religion is primarily learned. It seems to me that the natural manifestation of it (as oppose to the spiritual nature of it) is influenced by a combination of (situational or circumstantial mental and physiological development of the human body) natural chemical process that periodically occur within the human body similar to, if not exactly like the physiological conditioning that takes place during puberty.

The chemical disposition of the human body is always changing, however, in this example, I will recognize two climax that take place after birth: during adolescent (puberty) and during adulthood (rights of passage). These are the physiological aspects of this combination.

The second part of the combination is pertaining to the brain and the mind. As many ought to know, the mind is generally associated to the brain; and the brain is obviously naturally connected to the human body’s physiological system. Therefore, as the physiological system evolves over the years, it is safe to say the brain does also; this change affects the brain from the inside of the body. The mind on the other hand is affected by the various things on the outside of the body; things that exist within our environments and/or cultures. Mindfully speaking, I believe those who are physically gay or in question of their sexuality are experiencing a bout similar to an identity crisis that is the result of not essentially knowing who they really are (as in delusion); and likely because of some degree of emotional trauma, neglect and/or ignorance (lacking knowledge of something).

Self-discipline is very important in life; unless you have discipline over your self (the natural impulses), you will have discipline over nothing that affects you. Self-discipline is also a very important/essential factor in religion and every other abuse/trauma, lust, carnality or addiction; some religious people may feel (en)trapped because they physically acted out and someone in their mind is manipulated that act. These types of friends and/or family are not necessarily healthy for your essential well being righteous development ( this is not to say that that the friend or family member or whatever is conscience of what they do themselves or how they conduct themselves pertaining to themselves let alone you; this is why it is important for you, the actual individual to take initiative and control over your mind/own life’s understanding/destiny). This is not calling you to bring premature judgment of such people before you take the time to bring the appropriate (super)natural) order into your life: mind, body, soul that you may take the necessary time to collect your thoughts without burning any unnecessary bridges.
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Faith is believing in God (commandment's) until He Fulfills you.

That is believng in Him and obeying the commands He put in your heart; and seeking His Word/Truth in your mind until your dreams and/or destiny is manifested/fulfilled; "not your will but His will."
 
Prophecy

Prophecy

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Stoney McFried said:
:lol:Kludge...I love you.But all this guy does is preach.Might as well move on to better things.
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Pussy Cat Dolls: "Be careful what you wish for cause you just might get it"

McFried, I wil be glad when you finally get in tough with your true feelings and is able to express/articulate it.

I would also like it for you to let people think for themselves. All I am doing is to provide informaton that I have found to be healthy for others to potentially apply to their lives. I don't tell people what to think necesarily but I attempt to help them thin with the right fondations/principles, particularly Truth.

You are the one imposing your laws and regulations on people (who just happen to be visiting my posts on their own free will I might add)>
 
Prophecy

Prophecy

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Kludge said:
So you're saying god is just a metaphor for gay anal sex?
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Anal sex, gay anal sex, wow; what I am saying is that (God of) god(s) is a Reality for Real Love.
 
Kludge

Kludge

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Well Prophecy, we'll all be glad when you get in touch with YOUR true feelings and just come out of the closet.

You know it's a proven fact that people that think homosexuality is wrong are actually closeted homosexuals themselves. It's a fact.

So, in the same spirit of helping as you display. I would like to help you out of your horrible, horrible existence so I will provide you with some information about your hidden homosexuality.

What does it mean to come out?

Coming out is the process of personally accepting your sexuality and disclosing it to yourself, family, co-workers and friends. Coming out is different for every gay or bisexual person since there are varying degrees of sexuality (see Kinsey Scale) and the circumstances that surround our lifestyles differ.

Coming out is a confusing time for many people. Accepting your sexuality (or coming out to yourself) can bring about a number of fears. Will your family or friends stop loving you? Will you ever get married or have children? Will you be discriminated against or made fun of? These are all valid concerns mainly rooted in the fear of the unknown; which is why many reference coming out as being reborn. This is an opportunity for you to look introspectively and re-evaluate who you are and who you want to be.

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Kludge

Kludge

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Create a personal inventory when coming out.

Sure, some gay people experience rejection when they come out, but many also find a loving and accepting support system, leading to a fulfilling gay lifestyle. Even so, happiness starts from within. And getting to know yourself is a key part of the process.

Though being gay doesn't define you, it is a new part of your life. You can still be the same person you've always been, but take some "me" time to evaluate your transition. You don't have to become a complete hermit, but concentrate on your own well being and feelings. This will make you stronger, more confident and sure of yourself. Learn as much as you can about yourself and what YOU want your gay lifestyle to be.

Take a personal inventory of your life. Write down any anger, resentments, fears and guilt that you may have about your existing life. Don't forget the positive characteristics that also make you who you are today. Once you've done that, list your life goals, priorities and the things that make you happy (getting married, having children, being single, enjoying nature, art, dancing, etc.). What you are identifying is what kind of gay person you want to be.

This may seem like a silly exercise at first, but will be beneficial in the long run. Forgive yourself for any anger, resentment and guilt you may have for yourself and others and concentrate on your positive qualities. Create a new life for yourself by shaping it around your new life goals. Even as a gay person these things are possible!
 
Kludge

Kludge

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Know that you are not alone.

It doesn't matter if you live in a small town or a large metropolitan city, nothing can be more isolating than first coming out. You can be surrounded by familiar people and still feel you are the only one that is "different." We've all felt these feelings when first coming out and there are millions more just like you that are currently feeling the same. There are many resources, such as gay community centers and gay online communities, where you can find others dealing with similar issues.
 
Kludge

Kludge

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Deal with stereotypes, discrimination and hate against gays.

Many gay men don't fit into existing stereotypes associated with queer people, but feel the pressure to do so by society or even other gay people. Rest assured, the gay community is just as diverse as any other community and each gay man is an individual.

Unfortunately, this doesn't always prevent things like name-calling. You may be thinking whoever coined the term "words will never hurt me" obviously was never called a queer in a crowded room, but you do have an opportunity to take control of the situation. Maybe not by force or that cute one liner, but by protecting your own emotions and dealing with the situation that preserves your self esteem and your safety. Tune out others who may be around. Any person worth your friendship will see the haters for what they are- cowards. Even amongst laughs try not to feed into the stereotypes (learn about internalized homophobia). Be proud of the person you are and know that your offender's comments or actions are based on their lack of understanding and fear, not your deficiency. Stand tall or flee the scene, just make safety (and not your pride) your top priority. Sometimes the bravest of the battle is the one who can walk away from the ignorance. Seek solace in those around you that do accept you and always try and prevent a gay bashing.

Know that there are also a number of national gay organizations that lobby against discrimination and defamation.
 
Kludge

Kludge

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Tell family and friends you're gay when you're ready.

Every gay or bisexual man considers how their family and friends will react to the news that they are gay. Will your family reject you? Will your friends suddenly feel uncomfortable? Will you lose good friends or family members? These are valid questions that we must consider and unfortunately, there is no way to predict how your loved ones will react to your sexuality. The most important thing to consider is your own health and well being.

Come out to family and friends at a pace that makes YOU comfortable. There is no set time line or proper order of disclosure and each person's situation is different. Nonetheless, the one common thread amongst gay men is the liberation they feel once they no longer have to hide their feelings. Keeping your sexuality buried can be devastating to your stability in the long run.

Surround yourself with as many positive influences, just in case your folks don't take the news so well. Try and educate your family about your lifestyle and find a support program at a local gay community center.
 
Kludge

Kludge

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Don't give up on marriage or children.

Many of us grow up with dreams of a happy committed relationship and a house full of children. Contrary to popular belief, being gay does not condemn you to a life alone without kids. Gay marriage, civil unions or domestic partnerships is afforded to gays in many countries and states. And though legal protection is best, many gay men around the world have families that include stable and long-term relationships and natural-born or adopted children.

Learn about the many places where gay marriage is legal and how to become a gay parent.
 
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