First Attempt at Cloning Fail..

[jwreck]

Right, the plant doesn't want to photosynthesize? Thanks for the broscience tip, and speak engrish (proper grammar and the like) before attempting to give advice please

I dont speak "engrish" very well so i will try my best, but you sure have a shitty attitude for someone asking for help. Good luck with your project

 

[Trich_holmes]

Nope, just cut all branches off except for the apical ones obviously and cut the leaves back ~ 50%

That's the problem, I don't see an apical top.. Cutting the leaves in half is alright but you cut so much the cutting is more than likely in shock. Doesn't look like you've left it anything to work with. Is this your first time cloning or first time in a clone machine?

 

[DesertGrow89]

I dont speak "engrish" very well so i will try my best, but you sure have a shitty attitude for someone asking for help. Good luck with your project

Really? You come here and post "dude wtf, do you even know what you are doing?"
The answer is no, I don't, which is why I initiated this thread in search of advice from members who are familiar with the practice of cloning. You can fuck right off with stupid remarks like that troll. Don't bother posting on any of my threads again.

 

[DesertGrow89]

That's the problem, I don't see an apical top.. Cutting the leaves in half is alright but you cut so much the cutting is more than likely in shock. Doesn't look like you've left it anything to work with. Is this your first time cloning or first time in a clone machine?

Both, your saying leave the lower nodes?

 

[Trich_holmes]

This is about as much as I can hack and still have success. I used to cut smaller but they don't root as fast I've noticed after cloning different sizes for a few years. This size seems to work the best for me anyway...

 

[Trich_holmes]

Ur pic looks to me like you've cut that top set of leaves out and left the two nodes to either side of the apical top with two petioles

 

[BobBitchen]

Straight tap water is all you need.enough cloromine/clorine already there.
Clone kings work well, been using them for a few years with 100% success
I add a small amount of pro tekt & kln, works well

 

[jwreck]

Dude i tried to be civil and walk out of your thread even wished good luck but you had to drag me back here to roast your ass.
For one you butthurt way too easy i wasnt trying to offend you but i took a close look at your pic and reread your post and i couldnt think of nothing else but WTF!!!
Did the guy whom you say has been doing this for 40 years tell you to place a light 8 inches directly under the clones? genius
Did he tell you to top the clones?leave the nodes above ground?
Take 10 inch cuttings?
I can go on and on.
I read about MJ and visited forums for months before i ever grew a seed and im still learning but YOU want to be spoon fed all the answers and get all your panties in a fucking bunch when someone tries to help you out.

Yeah i might have came out a little wrong but i gave you good advice you just chose to get ur butthurt over some petty shit anyway im done is been nice

 

[DesertGrow89]

Straight tap water is all you need.enough cloromine/clorine already there.
Clone kings work well, been using them for a few years with 100% success
I add a small amount of pro tekt & kln, works well

I've heard you mention them before and others on this site which is why I went with it, one site didn't work when it arrived but with the low volume its not something to ship it back over. Actually the bleach and throvealive were just to soak the cuts in for half an hour the res is just tap and a little hydrogen peroxide. Not sure if the HP messed them up or the light was too intense any thoughts Bob?

 

[eddy600]

The Klone King works best when the room temperature is 72* the pump puts off a lot of heat so i use an intermittent 45 second timer.45 seconds on and 225 seconds off and a small mount of clonex with tap water.

 

[DesertGrow89]

Ur pic looks to me like you've cut that top set of leaves out and left the two nodes to either side of the apical top with two petioles

Ah I see, the plant was in the process of revegging when the cuts were taken and a flower was pinched off that's why.

 

[Trich_holmes]

I see! As you can see I mess with flowering clones too! Well hope ya get it figured out. I leave the flower on mine all the time. It'll veg out of it

 

[BobBitchen]

I've heard you mention them before and others on this site which is why I went with it, one site didn't work when it arrived but with the low volume its not something to ship it back over. Actually the bleach and throvealive were just to soak the cuts in for half an hour the res is just tap and a little hydrogen peroxide. Not sure if the HP messed them up or the light was too intense any thoughts Bob?

All I can tell ya is what works for me. My cloners are under t5,bout 12-18in, they do t need much light.
I only add kln 5mil, protekt 10 mil per my 3 gal cloner rez .

 

[BobBitchen]

 

[Trich_holmes]

Whatever was said about light being too close is wrong! T8's? Shit, unless you have them under HID's, your fine on light. Take a look at any high end production clone room, they use hundreds of t5/t8's just inches above the domes. Hell most are using rack setups with lights on each level. i cloned for several years under a t12 shop light no farther than 6"s off mine. That's certainly no where near the problem you're after! I would suspect the bleach mixture or just them being cut down too much. I don't have experience with the cloning machine so I can't say too much other than I know people use peroxide. I do have a lot of experience though with cutting clones and only leaving two leaves to do the work could very well be part of the problem. I take flowering clones quite a bit and am of the opinion that cloning is stressful in itself on the cutting, but also topping the cutting is literally almost hacking it to death all at once!

 

[farmasensist]

I don't think you are supposed to use hydrogen peroxide with bleach. The peroxide dechlorinates the water or something like that, I can't remember exactly why. The bleach or peroxide are used to keep root rot and scum out of the water but if you don't have any problems with it or change the water each week leave the bleach and peroxide out. And don't soak the clones in a bleach mix for an hour.

Can you check the ph of the water? If its not right that might be why they look fried. Check the ph and usually I put just a very small amount of nutes in the water when I'm cloning its not enough to burn them but they will have something to eat as soon as the roots come out.

 

[DesertGrow89]

I don't think you are supposed to use hydrogen peroxide with bleach. The peroxide dechlorinates the water or something like that, I can't remember exactly why. The bleach or peroxide are used to keep root rot and scum out of the water but if you don't have any problems with it or change the water each week leave the bleach and peroxide out. And don't soak the clones in a bleach mix for an hour.

Can you check the ph of the water? If its not right that might be why they look fried. Check the ph and usually I put just a very small amount of nutes in the water when I'm cloning its not enough to burn them but they will have something to eat as soon as the roots come out.

Peroxide adds o2. If you have a seedling in a medium that isn't drying out quickly (not enough aeration/drainage) you can add hydrogen peroxide at ~ 1/2 cup/gal to help that process. I don't see any reason not to soak them in the bleach for a half hour but thanks.

 

[DesertGrow89]

Whatever was said about light being too close is wrong! T8's? Shit, unless you have them under HID's, your fine on light. Take a look at any high end production clone room, they use hundreds of t5/t8's just inches above the domes. Hell most are using rack setups with lights on each level. i cloned for several years under a t12 shop light no farther than 6"s off mine. That's certainly no where near the problem you're after! I would suspect the bleach mixture or just them being cut down too much. I don't have experience with the cloning machine so I can't say too much other than I know people use peroxide. I do have a lot of experience though with cutting clones and only leaving two leaves to do the work could very well be part of the problem. I take flowering clones quite a bit and am of the opinion that cloning is stressful in itself on the cutting, but also topping the cutting is literally almost hacking it to death all at once!

Hmm, soaking the bleach in the 8 drops/gal solution was something I took from RM3 so I doubt that's the issue. Now that I see Bobs clones and you mention the topping it makes perfect sense, the defoliation was just a bad idea.. lol. Any the cloner came with these stupid plastic net cups that I don't think are necessary, the foam circles don't stay unless you use the cups. Seems the cups could potentially tear and rip roots when trying to remove the cutting.

 

[Jozikins]

YouTube bro. Lots of great tutorials using aeroponic clone units with very specific details and visual examples you just won't get from peer response.

 

[thetr33man]

Classic case of trying too hard....