"look at my african-american over there"

[Ace Yonder]

Even if anything you said in this hardly coherent post was true, it still doesn't excuse a racist imperialist for transforming a country into a racist empire. Are you really going to claim to know a fucking thing about the historic views of the victims of white imperialism?

You believe black people are inferior, and have been called racist many times on this forum.

So... is all imperialism white? Or do you just so intrinsically link the concepts that you actually think that whites were the only imperialists? Or is it only white imperialism that was bad? Is Spain white? Because if Spain is white, then most of the imperialism America is guilty of was white-on-white and that takes a lot of the wind out of the racism aspect. And if Spain ISN'T white, then one of the largest imperial empires in history was non-white, and has a similar effect. What about Japan? What about the Ottomans? Do their victims get to have a voice, or do they just have to shut the fuck up because they were oppressed by non-whites?

 

[oswizzle]

Israelis are the most racist human beings on the planet... just ask any Palestinian

How long b4 I get called an Anti-Semite 3...2.....1...

 

[abandonconflict]

How exactly did the quotes you provided show anything at all about what the "victims of his racist imperialism really thought"?

They provide insight into the way he thought, ya dingus. Maybe reading is not your strong suit, or perhaps you hve difficulty with logic.

You provided quotes by him, but none by them to contrast it to.

I am in fact assuming that the victims of his racist imperialism do not think the way he did, as evidenced by the way the way he thought and the fact that they were victims of his racist, white supremacist imperialistic politics. Maybe logic is not exactly your forte.

Oh, and btw, your assertion that "a world leader is blamed for it being the times" is a fucking stupid, simplistic, outdated, and disproved method of thinking. Yes, they are blamed for it, but only by idiots who don't understand the world or history. The "Great Man Theory" (Which is what you are espousing) holds no water with serious modern historians. "Great Men" are a product of the times much more than the times are a product of "Great Men".

Here is your opinion, which is in line with the racist imperialistic white supremacist politics, of which so many victims have been created by way of genocide, vast inequality and exploitation of resources. You seem really bothered and angry that these racist, imperialistic, white supremacist ideas and politics are being challenged. Well at least now you have had a sample of the victims of those racist, imperialist, white supremacist ideas and politics challenging what you hold so dear.

Maybe logic is not your strong point.

 

[abandonconflict]

So... is all imperialism white?

All of the imperialism from Teddy Roosevelt was white supremacist, ya dingus.

 

[Ace Yonder]

Israelis are the most racist human beings on the planet... just ask any Palestinian

How long b4 I get called an Anti-Semite 3...2.....1...

We already know you are an anti-semite, to the point that even the anti-Israeli people don't want anything to do with you. You've even alienated your allies because of your ridiculous propaganda.

 

[Ace Yonder]

I am in fact assuming that the victims of his racist imperialism do not think the way he did...

Ah, the irrefutable proof of an idiot's assumptions. You got me bro! Way to support a thesis with facts and evidence!

 

[Ace Yonder]

Here is your opinion...

I'll stop you right there. Unlike you, I'm not basing this on my opinion. That is the opinion of nearly all historians. You are the one who is using an outdated theory, and your own assumptions, to push your own agenda.

 

[abandonconflict]

Ah, the irrefutable proof of an idiot's assumptions. You got me bro! Way to support a thesis with facts and evidence!

So you're saying that the victims of genocidal, white supremacist, imperialistic politics, actually agree with genocidal, white supremacist, imperialistic politics...

Logic must be something you're sorely lacking, dumbass.

 

[fdd2blk]

So you're saying that the victims of genocidal, white supremacist, imperialistic politics, actually agree with genocidal, white supremacist, imperialistic politics...

Logic must be something you're sorely lacking, dumbass.

Kind of like your lack of ability to finish a sentence. lol

 

[abandonconflict]

I'll stop you right there. Unlike you, I'm not basing this on my opinion. That is the opinion of nearly all historians. You are the one who is using an outdated theory, and your own assumptions, to push your own agenda.

Yet again, your opinion. What is outdated, is the idea of eugenics. What is outdated is the idea that Teddy Roosevelt was progressive just because he sat a black guy to lunch in the white house. What is outdated is your opinion that the only historians that are to be taken seriously are those who agree with the notion that a white supremacist, imperialistic eugenicist does not deserve to be called out because he was a product of the times.

He was not a product of the times, he was a shaper of the times.

 

[Ace Yonder]

So you're saying that the victims of genocidal, white supremacist, imperialistic politics, actually agree with genocidal, white supremacist, imperialistic politics...

Logic must be something you're sorely lacking, dumbass.

See how you keep changing the argument because you know you can't win? You said that Chinese, Mexicans, Cubans, and Filipinos (among others) were not racist, and then to prove that you provided a quote by TR and your own assumption that by default they were the opposite. You refuse to look at facts, and you refuse to look at evidence, you just have a mindset and and agenda and anything that doesn't fit it gets tossed aside. Because when THE WHITE DEVIL is involved, everyone else must be angels eh? You sound like you learned about Imperialism at a Nation of Islam meeting.

 

[Ace Yonder]

Yet again, your opinion. What is outdated, is the idea of eugenics. What is outdated is the idea that Teddy Roosevelt was progressive just because he sat a black guy to lunch in the white house. What is outdated is your opinion that the only historians that are to be taken seriously are those who agree with the notion that a white supremacist, imperialistic eugenicist does not deserve to be called out because he was a product of the times.

He was not a product of the times, he was a shaper of the times.

As a matter of fact, as I pointed out, he was indeed progressive when compared to many of his contemporaries, even many of his brown contemporaries. But you'll never get that because you are so fucking stupid that you think a single man was the "shaper of the times". That is not the way the world works and it never has been, but keep believing whatever propaganda you were fed. I'm sure ignorance will really help your ideas seem valid.

 

[abandonconflict]

You said that Chinese, Mexicans, Cubans, and Filipinos (among others) were not racist

I said they were not white supremacist, imperialist, eugenicist idealogues.

 

[abandonconflict]

you think a single man was the "shaper of the times".

a shaper of the times...

Reading must not be your strong suit.

 

[Ace Yonder]

I said they were not white supremacist, imperialist, eugenicist idealogues.

Well many of them were (brown, yellow, black) supremacist, would-be imperialist, eugenicist/anti-miscegnation ideologues. Racism by any other color is just as shitty.

 

[Ace Yonder]

a shaper of the times...

Reading must not be your strong suit.

Yeah a shaper, and the only shaper you have mentioned. And if there were other shapers, they shaped him and he was a product of his environment, so your argument doesn't work either way dumbshit.

 

[abandonconflict]

Well many of them were (brown, yellow, black) supremacist, would-be imperialist, eugenicist/anti-miscegnation ideologues. Racism by any other color is just as shitty.

More white supremacist, imperialist apologism...

 

[fdd2blk]

Well many of them were (brown, yellow, black) supremacist, would-be imperialist, eugenicist/anti-miscegnation ideologues. Racism by any other color is just as shitty.

Only white people can be racist. And then, only the ones who say "I'm not racist".

 

[Ace Yonder]

More white supremacist, imperialist apologism...

More assumptions by a mind possessed of a single-digit IQ. I think I'mma have to be done talking to you before I catch some of your stupid. I might have to re-think my views on Eugenics if there is any shot it would have prevented you from happening to the world.

 

[abandonconflict]

Yeah a shaper, and the only shaper you have mentioned. And if there were other shapers, they shaped him and he was a product of his environment, so your argument doesn't work either way dumbshit.

Quite a distortion you have made here. We were talking about Teddy Roosevelt, your white supremacist, eugenicist, imperialist hero, and you distorted my argument with the switch of the word 'the' for the word 'a' and now because he is who I am referring to, you will insist I have claimed he is the only shaper of the times.

Logic must really be your downfall.