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abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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shorelineOG said:
The U.S. and Russia were on the same side. The Japanese treated POW's worse than anyone. Imperial Japan was very racist and shared that ideology with the nazis. Ask the Chinese or Filipinos what the Japanese did to them. The Japanese considered other races subhuman and many are still very racist.
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Replace Japanese with Americans in this argument and it still works. The problem is that it still doesn't justify a massacre against civilians.

Yes, the purpose of the bombing was to scare the Russians. That was the opening of the cold war.
 
abandonconflict

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I have been diving in Coron for the last two weeks. I have been saturated with WW2 history as well as nitrogen.IMG_0509.jpg IMG_0575.jpg

My grandfather fought in that war too, B17 turret gunner.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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abandonconflict said:
Well I won't tell you any biased stories about Afghanis or Iraqis. I certainly won't use subjective accounts or xenophobia to justify massacre which was objectively unnecessary. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were retaliation and a show of force to scare the Russians.
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The only one here saying xenophobia is you, after you incorrectly termed what I described as such. You then raised a straw man about racism. As for subjective accounts, every rebuttal you gave to someone who lost three uncles in that war - to show her she was wrong, on an undisputed point of recent history, such wow - consisted of one or more such. Are your standards just for - others, not yourself?
 
abandonconflict

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shorelineOG said:
Not hardly. The Imperialist Japanese government encouraged the rape of Filipino women and torture of POWs. Not everything is equal. The Japanese stole land and conquered other people in a very open and brutal way.
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You think Americans aren't encouraged to rape? They're given space and time to do so, and only punished if their unit needs some reason to discipline, using it as a reason to slap a soldier's wrist. Just look how often female soldiers are raped vs how often their rapists are punished.

The US gov't is responsible for the greatest genocide in history and stole every piece of land it occupies. Has bases in almost every country on earth despite being mostly unwelcome.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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abandonconflict said:
I call it like I see it, but you confirmed it. You believe xenophobia is intrinsic to human nature, but also think that social anthropology is pseudoscience.

I'm no xenophobic, that shit ain't in my nature at all.
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No. I have corrected you on this time and again. YOU introduced the word and continue to use it in Big Lie tactics familiar to any student of history. I said that what I believe intrinsic to human nature is schematization, which you have dishonestly equated with xenophobia. Stop this lie.
 
abandonconflict

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cannabineer said:
Ouch

I retract that. It is true by one definition of the word, the old one, "a fear or dislike of the unknown or strange". I do not say that the currently more common one, "a fear of people of other races and countries" is inherent. I hope that clarifies.
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And to be clear, I never called you racist.
 
testiclees

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Grandpapy said:
One of the coolest stories, was when they found out the war had been over for weeks. Only then did they have the resolve to revolt.
Not sure why Mr. Eisenhower thought they where ready give up.
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Maybe because he was the general but you were the cabin boi?
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Grandpapy said:
The pros rely on luck more then you know.:lol:
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I rely on my buoyancy skills but I have seen some sick macro stuff done with strobes and kick ass lenses using aperture priority. Reds wash out below 10 meters depth so I use a red filter and no lights. Sometimes I use the auto settings on aquatic mode, a preset. My filter is on a swivel for that. I also use a wet wide angle dome.

Lumix GX8 and pancake wide angle.
 
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testiclees

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cannabineer said:
Ouch

I retract that. It is true by one definition of the word, the old one, "a fear or dislike of the unknown or strange". I do not say that the currently more common one, "a fear of people of other races and countries" is inherent. I hope that clarifies.
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cannabineer said:
The only one here saying xenophobia is you, after you incorrectly termed what I described as such. You then raised a straw man about racism. As for subjective accounts, every rebuttal you gave to someone who lost three uncles in that war - to show her she was wrong, on an undisputed point of recent history, such wow - consisted of one or more such. Are your standards just for - others, not yourself?
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cannabineer said:
That is debatable with the double meaning of the term. But after my mistake I am disinclined to split that hair.
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With every post, a discharge of laughing gas from a stilted paper ass.
 
BarnBuster

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an interesting book originally written in Japanese by Japanese historians in 1965 titled "Japan’s Longest Day" covers the events and thinking re:surrender from Japan's Supreme War Council's perspective during July and August.
 
testiclees

testiclees

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BarnBuster said:
an interesting book originally written in Japanese by Japanese historians in 1965 titled "Japan’s Longest Day" covers the events and thinking re:surrender from Japan's Supreme War Council's perspective during July and August.
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My recruiter was Station Chief in Khartoum. Are you currently in country?
 
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