samsung hard strips

welight

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would like to see a 6500k option

can you fill the bins in for the xpg when you can? would help with cree tool

I assume those are wired in series like 24-36V overall per bar depending on color?
board is 280mm x 20mm, all in series, updated with all flux bins listed
Cheers
Mark
 

BOBBY_G

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oh yeah! more options everyday it seems

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any possibility of red XPE-2 red (620 nm) in P4 bin?

not sure why, but P3 bin XPE tops P3 bin XPE2 watt-for-watt in PCT

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BOBBY_G

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just to put these side by side with a 6500K T5


4 ft T5
54W
5000 lumens (~4500 after a few months)
93 lm/W

S4bin 6500k strip@ 350 mA
15W
2700 lumens
185 lm/W

the 5700K bins even higher than the 6500k for some reason (different CRI?)
194 lm/W @ 350 mA!

if you like the spacing you get with t5s right now and wanted to make the strips the same intensity as a T5 (1250 lm/ft), the 5700Ks are pushing an impressive 214 lm/W at 150 mA
 

frica

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What's the heatsink requirement for the hardstrip?
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor-inc/SI-B8T342560WW/1510-1324-ND/5875178

It's 33,5 watt (test current) which normally requires a good piece of aluminium but that's for a COB which has a very small surface area.
This strip has a 100 cubic cm surface area.

Surely I should be able to get away with this heatsink
http://www.leds.de/LED-Zubehoer/Aluminiumprofile/Aluminium-Profil-60cm-fuer-SMD-High-Power-Module.html
2K/W will mean a 40 degree temp rise (celcius) provided the strip is at least 40% efficient.

Also I think the 2k/w is taking into account that it normally has a cover to diffuse light on it.
And SMD stars will likely have their heat less spread out than that samsung led strip.

Also how do you guys do with thermal paste on a long LED strip?
 

frica

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A quick update - I'm pleasantly surprised so far. I attached a single 33W strip to a 20x14 baking sheet. I dialed in voltage/amperage on a dc-dc buck to get 34W at the wall, let it run for 10 minutes, took temperature readings on black tape on the rear side of the sheet. Ambient was 76F, right behind the led strip was only 10 degrees higher at 86F. Taking a reading about 2 inches to the side of the strip was back to ambient. So this strip at rated/nominal current is dissipating heat very well. I will attach my second strip and take more readings, but I'm kind of in love with this setup if it remains so easy to keep things cool. Props to nextlight and those like @robincnn that blazed the path on this one.
Did you use any kind of thermal paste for it?

Edit: just read your follow up
 
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MrTwist1

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What's the heatsink requirement for the hardstrip?
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor-inc/SI-B8T342560WW/1510-1324-ND/5875178

It's 33,5 watt (test current) which normally requires a good piece of aluminium but that's for a COB which has a very small surface area.
This strip has a 100 cubic cm surface area.

Surely I should be able to get away with this heatsink
http://www.leds.de/LED-Zubehoer/Aluminiumprofile/Aluminium-Profil-60cm-fuer-SMD-High-Power-Module.html
2K/W will mean a 40 degree temp rise (celcius) provided the strip is at least 40% efficient.

Also I think the 2k/w is taking into account that it normally has a cover to diffuse light on it.
And SMD stars will likely have their heat less spread out than that samsung led strip.

Also how do you guys do with thermal paste on a long LED strip?
There was some discussion about this earlier in the thread... no thermal paste needed at low currents. peace
 

welight

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What's the heatsink requirement for the hardstrip?
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor-inc/SI-B8T342560WW/1510-1324-ND/5875178

It's 33,5 watt (test current) which normally requires a good piece of aluminium but that's for a COB which has a very small surface area.
This strip has a 100 cubic cm surface area.

Surely I should be able to get away with this heatsink
http://www.leds.de/LED-Zubehoer/Aluminiumprofile/Aluminium-Profil-60cm-fuer-SMD-High-Power-Module.html
2K/W will mean a 40 degree temp rise (celcius) provided the strip is at least 40% efficient.

Also I think the 2k/w is taking into account that it normally has a cover to diffuse light on it.
And SMD stars will likely have their heat less spread out than that samsung led strip.

Also how do you guys do with thermal paste on a long LED strip?
I think this would depend on what power you drive the strips at, I doubt this heatsink will handle these strips at full power. We supply Arctic Silver Compound that would suit this strip
Cheers
Mark
 

JorgeGonzales

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There was some discussion about this earlier in the thread... no thermal paste needed at low currents. peace
There was also you going HOLY SHIT MY HEATSINK IS REALLY HOT, so I think the best advice is to size heatsinks appropriately, treating watts as watts, regardless of how spread out they are.
 

MrTwist1

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There was also you going HOLY SHIT MY HEATSINK IS REALLY HOT, so I think the best advice is to size heatsinks appropriately, treating watts as watts, regardless of how spread out they are.
At 1400mA it got pretty hot, but at 700mA it is barely warm.
 

Zulunature

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Update on the 2 x 3000K hard strips from cutters.

We have had them in for just under a week, no heat issues on that unequal anodized channel (50mmx25mm) directly screwed down without any TIM.

Remember running them only @750ma and will be lower once on my coralux board, will probably drive them @350-500ma Max. these are after all for side lighting and interior canopy lighting.

I'll let everyone know if I think it's been worth the investment, electricity wise I definitely know it is going to return many fold those costs.
 

frica

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There was also you going HOLY SHIT MY HEATSINK IS REALLY HOT, so I think the best advice is to size heatsinks appropriately, treating watts as watts, regardless of how spread out they are.
Spreading out definitely helps a lot.
But it's going to depend on the surface area and just how spread out.

Heatsink being hot is probably just aluminium being good at heat convention.
Can already cause burns at 44 degrees celcius.
 

JorgeGonzales

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Spreading out definitely helps a lot.
But it's going to depend on the surface area and just how spread out.

Heatsink being hot is probably just aluminium being good at heat convention.
Can already cause burns at 44 degrees celcius.
Spreading out helps compared to a point source on a 60cm heatsink, yes.

I'd use the same surface area or thermal resistance numbers you would for any other source of heat, that's all I'm saying. I have no opinion on your heatsinks except to say led-tech.de recommends them for 17W of "Maxline35" modules.
 
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