Molasses?
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Dr.Nick Riviera
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too much of a donkey to learn is more like it. and i said,
Bye felecia!!!
Bye felecia!!!
Dr. Who
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I'll leave this here for you GAIN, Maybe you will actually understand it at some point,dunno?
Molasses for Plants
By Robert Pavlis on March 31, 2014
This is a hot gardening topic these days and many of the organic gardeners are promoting the idea that you should add molasses to your compost pile and to your garden. It makes the microbes grow better–they need to eat, don’t you know?
Molasses; should you eat it, or dump it onto your soil? You have come to the right place to get the facts.
Molasses for Plants
Molasses, What is it?
Molasses is a byproduct produced during the manufacture of sugar. Sugar cane or sugar beets are processed so that the sugar can be extracted. The material that is left after most of the sugar is removed is a black sticky material called molasses. Molasses contains sugar, some other carbohydrates, vitamins and a number of minerals like calcium and iron.
Molasses for Plants
You probably know that it is important to have microbes in your soil. If not, have a look atOrganic Fertilizer – What is its Real Value. If having microbes is important, than it makes sense that you should feed those microbes. Feeding them will make them healthy, and make them reproduce so that you have even more microbes. Guess what? Microbes, especially the bacteria, love sugar. It’s no surprise that they also love molasses since it is mostly sugar.
So far it all seems to make sense. Microbes are good for soil, and molasses is good for microbes, so why not add it to soil? The short answer is that there is nothing wrong with adding molasses to your garden, or to your compost pile. It will feed the microbes.
Does it Make Sense to Add Molasses?
I’ll save you the trouble of skipping to the end of this post–the answer is NO!
Understanding why the answer is no will help you understand your garden. Let’s have a look. In a normal garden, or compost pile, you have a large variety of microbes, all going about their daily lives. They find something to eat, they poop, and they die. This is a continual process that goes on a billion times a second.
Microbes are opportunistic in that their populations will increase and decrease as the conditions change. Let’s assume you have not been doing too much in the garden so conditions are not changing. In that case the microbe populations remain steady. Things are chugging along at a normal pace and everybody is happy.
Now you dump a lot of molasses on the garden. Instantly, microbes sense the extra food and they start to multiply. Bacteria can divide (ie double the population) every 20 minutes. The population explodes very quickly. All those bacteria need to eat, and they quickly consume the molasses you added. As the food source runs out there is a massive famine and most of the bacteria die.
What has the molasses accomplished?
Not much. It is true that all of the dead bacteria go on to feed other microbes, and they help build soil structure. The minerals in the molasses stay in the soil and plants can use them, but your soil probably had enough calcium and iron before you added the molasses. The vitamins in molasses are of no value to plants.
Is the massive population explosion good for your plants? I don’t think anyone knows, but most things in nature are better off without massive changes, and plant roots depend very much on the population of microbes around their roots. I just can’t believe a bacteria population explosion is good for the plants.
Molasses might make your compost pile work quicker, but the first rain, or your hose, will wash the sugars out of the pile removing any benefits.
Do You Need to Feed the Microbes?
The reason for adding molasses is to feed the microbes, so it is important to ask, “Should the gardener feed the microbes?” The answer is a resounding YES! However, there are many ways to do this. Adding compost, wood chips or other organic matter as a mulch is the best way. This provides a slow, steady release of food for the microbes.
Molasses is a product that we can use to feed people and animals. I’d rather eat gingerbread cookies than compost and wood chips. From an environmental point of view it makes more sense to put non-edible organic matter in the garden and keep the food in the fridge.
There is no “magic” in molasses. It’s just another source of organic matter that will be decomposed in the garden. All organic matter contains carbohydrates, sugars, minerals and vitamins, just like molasses. Don’t believe me …… consider the fact that molasses is made from plants; sugar cane or sugar beets.
References:
1) Photo Source: Йоана Петрова
http://www.gardenmyths.com/molasses-for-plants/
I came across this thread because it was on the first page Green. I would have answered the same - no matter WHO posted it!
Like I said and have said, and said. Molasses is not effective for it's intended or supposed, for that matter result.....in actual soil feeding.
IT belongs in NO HYDRO style for the bad things it does to hydro. Fermenting is the worst among them....
I come in and add FACT to posts so others can choose for them selves! You continue to believe and that's fine with me. I just get tired of having to post mine and with facts to back mine up from repeat contentions of those believers.
BTW, most all long term, or high end, and highly hort educated growers. DO NOT "agree with you"......You will NOT find it in commercial operations, nor in any of my friends operations around here, all growing for over 30 years and running organic!
Above is simply another example of "truth" listed to educate - NOT PUT "YOU" DOWN!
I have no problem with YOU! Just your constant posting of your point of view and then hammering mine as an "attack" on you!
That's not fair...
PLEASE Green use what works for YOU! But, don't expect to post on the joy of molasses and not get a retort!
I've said my piece - I'm done here!
@Dr.Nick Riviera
Nice posting Doc! Great addition!
Olive Drab Green
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We took a poll. 16 people agreed molasses works, with one in dissent. You even agree molasses works in AACTs. Which is thoroughly retarded, because if it works in AACTs, it will work straight in the soil as microbes break it down. You are talking a lot of horseshit, and showing you're full of shit by suggesting its use in AACTs and then saying it isn't useful. I'm sorry, Doc, but I'm blocking you, too. In finality, it wirks.
Olive Drab Green
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AACTs: The same process that happens in the medium, except given extra air for bigger population and suspended in liquid. The only difference is, the pumped air even further increases microbe population in the suspension.
Dr. Who
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Just who were these 15 people? And who gives a rats ass about a "poll" on a website!
Didn't read the post by Dr. Nick did you!
As for you calling me full of shit and talking horse shit.
Whatever
Dr.Nick Riviera
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he grew a plant in MG and showed the whole site with his awesome journal of it. Now he knows all about growing.Just who were these 15 people? And who gives a rats ass about a "poll" on a website!
Didn't read the post by Dr. Nick did you!
As for you calling me full of shit and talking horse shit.
Whatever
shouldn't even be allowed in advanced growing till his balls at least drop!!!
Gary Goodson
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I use molasses for one thing and one thing only... AACT
Once you've inoculated the medium, you dont need to keep feeding them sugars. You want them breaking down the stuff in the soil, not being lazy and eating all the sweets. The 20% cal and 25% iron in my blackstrap molasses doesn't impress me one bit. My base fertilizer already has enough of both or it wouldn't be my base fertilizer.
So for the recorded, I would've voted nay on the molasses poll.
Once you've inoculated the medium, you dont need to keep feeding them sugars. You want them breaking down the stuff in the soil, not being lazy and eating all the sweets. The 20% cal and 25% iron in my blackstrap molasses doesn't impress me one bit. My base fertilizer already has enough of both or it wouldn't be my base fertilizer.
So for the recorded, I would've voted nay on the molasses poll.
Olive Drab Green
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Not saying AACT isn't better, I'm just saying molasses works.
I only use a tablespoon of molasses in 1.5L of water every few waterings or so while I top dress with organic matter, myco, and microbes.
Olive Drab Green
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Who the hell would only feed molasses?
Gary Goodson
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You can't just do something and claim it worked because the plant didn't die lol
Olive Drab Green
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Doesn't make sense. If AACTs work, dilute molasses would work with the same amount of safety, but to a lesser degree of efficacy. And it did work. My trics are getting thick.
Gary Goodson
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So you're saying molasses has made your trichs fatter?
Have you ran a side by side? Can you explain what you think molasses is doing for your soil/plant?
I think you missed my point. I only use molasses to feed microbes in order to boost the population. In aact the molasses is used for food. So by the time I use my aact most of the sugars have been consumed. In soil your medium is the food.
So are you using molasses to feed your microbes? Or are you using it as a fertilizer? Or is it to sweeten up the final product?
Have you ran a side by side? Can you explain what you think molasses is doing for your soil/plant?
I think you missed my point. I only use molasses to feed microbes in order to boost the population. In aact the molasses is used for food. So by the time I use my aact most of the sugars have been consumed. In soil your medium is the food.
So are you using molasses to feed your microbes? Or are you using it as a fertilizer? Or is it to sweeten up the final product?
Olive Drab Green
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The first two reasons. I don't use soil, I use coco/peat/yucca/EWC. I use it to increase microbe pop and for the micronutrients and carbs.
I have not yet run a side-by-side, no. So to be fair, I do not have a control group.
Gary Goodson
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Dankeh_fever
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Ya, that is also my understanding and practice.
Olive Drab Green
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I will run a control group next run, just to settle this, alright?
Olive Drab Green
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You have no practice, giddouddaheer.
And I don't use enough molasses that the microbes would spend more time on the molasses than the other organic matter in the medium.
Dankeh_fever
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I actually have a thoroughly tested practice. why would you speak out of your ass?
The purpose of cultivating a vibrant micro herd isnt only to decompose organic matter but also to process inorganic minerals. Trace elements and even macro nutrients are not "organic matter in the medium".
This might help you:
Inorganic materials In Soil - Geology For Kids - By KidsGeo.com
Olive Drab Green
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Molasses isn't inorganic. And the point of organics is to feed the microherd in the soil so that the microbes shit out what the plants take up. I know what I'm doing.