Please help identify what stress(with pics)
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Dr. Who
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"If you knew anything" you would know that you don't get your pots near canopy temps, or even ambient for that matter. How about the fact that when you gas properly, you should be controlling the environment by exhausting the tent or area when the (I'll use my past controller settings) controller settings reach their limits. I set mine to 94 F and 85% RH...The exhaust turns on, pulls out the air from an area or tent. The controller shuts it off and turns on the gas till it reach's that setting and the whole thing starts over.
For how I run now, The area is a stand alone building with the vegging area in the center and a bloom area on either side in separate rooms. Each has it's own RH control and the both bloom rooms are cooled by the central AC with provisions for "extra" cooling as needed by portables. I run Co2 generators and my controller is set to turn on the AC and dehumidifiers as needed. The controller also only runs the gas during lights on times, and keeps the ppms at a constant 1500!
Now then. The rule of using gas mandates the higher temps and higher RH to increase transpiration and thus allow the plant to actually use the increased Co2 ppms! The other side of that rule is that you must have increasing light "intensity" as your Co2ppms rise, to allow for all of the above to work!
Oh, and btw, I'm not gassing much....I don't feel I need to......I might fire it up for fun or an experiment once in awhile....that's about it.
This is science FACT! I learned this in Hort 101 sport! I've run greenhouses, ran a major scale yew bush farm for the taxol it produces for a MAJOR drug maker for years, before retiring to start organic farming and lecturing on alternative farming and old time farming methods. This has grown into a now, 4 farm co-op! Grew up on a family farm and when I went to Dad's side of the family ,,,, you guessed it! Visited another farm... I've lived farming and growing all my life.
Now some little disrespectful, snot nosed, uneducated on growing anything, kid like you comes in and gets his little ego hurt by someone setting things straight and coming back and starting a game of "hit me with your facts", while swinging a blow-up bat at the hard balls thrown back at him,,,,,,only strikes out!
Now your butt hurt is really getting bad and the hole you've dug is so deep you're stuck in there!
Ok, I'll make it short and sweet....YOUR WRONG AGAIN!
GETTING KINDA HARD TO GET MY FOOT OUT'A YOUR ASS!
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Dr. Who
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Changed his fucking AVATAR quick like didn't he? Smart.....but too late..
qwizoking
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It's my understanding he also like lady boys
Under the pic he says
am surrounded by so many beautiful women who wear no clothes only leaves to hide their branches!
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Bareback
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Dr I've got mad respect for you and I don't want to be part of this pissing contest, so I'm just sticking with questions you asked me. I sprayed with a titan controller set at 1500 ppm. Homemade halo style bracket hanging off the light ( which is vented maybe that's where some of the gas went ) 1/4" hose with slits cut in it. I forgot to put a timer on it for lights on only so I wasted a lot right there. I'm struggling with stretch over the past few grows. And I thought I might fix one thing at a time. Thanks and peace out Bare.
Gary Goodson
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Damn! I showed up late to the party.
I just want to bring one thing into the mix... This dude is talking about root zone issues, but has he ever heard of a water chiller?
Bump the co2 and temps up and then have the water chiller, reservoir, and air pump outside of the room/tent/area... pretty simple.
To the op, another thing to consider is when using co2 plants require more fertilizer. You might just be under feeding them. This was apparent to me when I ran out of co2 one day. The plants immediately started looking over fed. I went out and refilled the tank and things went back to normal.
I just want to bring one thing into the mix... This dude is talking about root zone issues, but has he ever heard of a water chiller?
Bump the co2 and temps up and then have the water chiller, reservoir, and air pump outside of the room/tent/area... pretty simple.
To the op, another thing to consider is when using co2 plants require more fertilizer. You might just be under feeding them. This was apparent to me when I ran out of co2 one day. The plants immediately started looking over fed. I went out and refilled the tank and things went back to normal.
Dr. Who
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Cool,,,Titan regulator "control" like this -
To me a "controller" is this -
https://4hydroponics.com/autopilot-digital-environmental-controller
This controls everything you'll need to in a smaller area and/or a non-generator source.
You set the temp and RH limits
You set the gas "on" time to hit your goal ppm (You use the formula - height of the area X length X width X .0015 for 1500ppm. If you want less ppm you change the last decimal point to what you want - Say if you want it to be 1300ppm then it would X.0013.
Example: 5X5X7 foot tent would be 175 cubic ft X .0013 (for 1300ppm) = .2275 or .23 cubic ft of Co2 to reach 1300 ppm in that area.
Now to calculate how long the valve should be open to reach that 1300 ppm. You divide the # of cubic ft of gas required by the regulators set flow rate...Lets say 50 cft per hr is the set flow rate.
Example: .23 / 50 = .001058 hrs to hit 1300 ppm. Now take the .001058 and multiply by 60 (minutes in an hr) = .06348 minutes or 3.8 seconds by mutiplying the .06348 by 60 (seconds) and you have your gas "on" time answer. I would round that up to 4 seconds and have the controller spray every 10 minutes to hold that ppm...This would work for a small area properly running gas.
Every time the controller cycles the for the temp/Rh levels. When the unit detects it's safely low again it stops the cooling/lowering of RH and restarts the gassing cycles again!
Simple, painless and set it and forget it easy!
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Bareback
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Cool,,,Titan regulator "control" like this -
To me a "controller" is this -
https://4hydroponics.com/autopilot-digital-environmental-controller
This controls everything you'll need to in a smaller area and/or a non-generator source.
You set the temp and RH limits
You set the gas "on" time to hit your goal ppm (You use the formula - height of the area X length X width X .0015 for 1500ppm. If you want less ppm you change the last decimal point to what you want - Say if you want it to be 1300ppm then it would X.0013.
Example: 5X5X7 foot tent would be 175 cubic ft X .0013 (for 1300ppm) = .2275 or .23 cubic ft of Co2 to reach 1300 ppm in that area.
Now to calculate how long the valve should be open to reach that 1300 ppm. You divide the # of cubic ft of gas required by the regulators set flow rate...Lets say 50 cft per hr is the set flow rate.
Example: .23 / 50 = .001058 hrs to hit 1300 ppm. Now take the .001058 and multiply by 60 (minutes in an hr) = .06348 minutes or 3.8 seconds by mutiplying the .06348 by 60 (seconds) and you have your gas "on" time answer. I would round that up to 4 seconds and have the controller spray every 10 minutes to hold that ppm...This would work for a small area properly running gas.
Every time the controller cycles the for the temp/Rh levels. When the unit detects it's safely low again it stops the cooling/lowering of RH and restarts the gassing cycles again!
Simple, painless and set it and forget it easy!
Yes sir, mine is just like picture. Is it just a waste of time money and effort to use the one I have tell me the truth, it won't be the first time, money and effort I wasted. Thanks Dr.
Dr. Who
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No
No, no! you need that to make any "environmental controller work" ! It's actually the regulator of how much gas per hr in cubic feet it allows OUT of the tank at any given time.
For this controller I linked you to. EBAY has the best pricing -
At as low as $159.99 and free shipping w/a 3 day delivery! you can't beat that with a stick!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AutoPilot-D...tal-Controller-w-Sensor-APCETHD-/231832802582
I have lots of friends running various "controllers".. The best "reviews" come from the Auto-Pilot owners!
No, no! you need that to make any "environmental controller work" ! It's actually the regulator of how much gas per hr in cubic feet it allows OUT of the tank at any given time.
For this controller I linked you to. EBAY has the best pricing -
At as low as $159.99 and free shipping w/a 3 day delivery! you can't beat that with a stick!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AutoPilot-D...tal-Controller-w-Sensor-APCETHD-/231832802582
I have lots of friends running various "controllers".. The best "reviews" come from the Auto-Pilot owners!
CannaBruh
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holy shit, I remember when these were nearing $2k, this is a nothing to think about go for it
Dr. Who
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Oh yeah, there are big greenhouse controllers that run around a grand or more still!
This does not have an actual "Co2 sensor" and that saves like $250 alone.
For small area's, you don't "need" that kind of control!
You set your values and run! Automatically sense's lights on or off and follows suit as needed!
whitebb2727
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I agree with the switch to bloom nutes. A balanced feed is better all the way through.
Hell, a lot of plants I've grown thrived and did well with dynagro foilage pro. Its higher in N than anything else. Its a 9-3-6. If I remember correct.
I would also wager to say you also have a slight over water problem. Let them dry some. Have you seen any fungas gnats?
Hell, a lot of plants I've grown thrived and did well with dynagro foilage pro. Its higher in N than anything else. Its a 9-3-6. If I remember correct.
I would also wager to say you also have a slight over water problem. Let them dry some. Have you seen any fungas gnats?
Dr. Who
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That is a Co2 ppm controller only.
It might work with the Auto pilot as that is an ENVIRONMENTAL controller! I say the environmental controller is far more important.
Most folks gas at 10 - 20 cft an hour of pressure....Depends on how high your regulator goes...
Bareback
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Ok Dr the controller is the Titan atlas 2.
Thanks Dr I really appreciate it, now I'm going to get off this guys thread.
Peace out Bare
Thanks Dr I really appreciate it, now I'm going to get off this guys thread.
Peace out Bare
ligrow
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Much respect @Dr. Who
Really appreciate you sharing your experienced and knowledge here!
I'm always humble learning.
Regarding to the autopilot controller.
I have one autopilot greenhouse master controller look pretty much the same as the one you showed above. But it cost me 4xx to get it. I only use it for control burner, and my Mini spilt and dehu control by their own.
Do I actually need the "master" one?
For the controller setup you mentioned above, do you connect exhaust fan for the tent with controller. Exhausts fan kick it when it reach to highest point you set?
What's the lowest point you set to shut off exhaust?
My room is 82-83 when light on. 75 lights off
RH around 60-70%
I can't take RH that high so i didn't have room temp high like 90
Would like to know more about your veg setup. I heard mini spilt is best option for cooling he room. Since there is no air exchange for mini spilt. Also no gas for veg.
I wonder how is mini spilt work without using gas.
For last two weeks before chop,
When Cut off gas, with no air exchange for the room would be fine?
@Garygoodson i did though about under feed, but they drink water really quick. I afraid I was high temp in grow tent cause that. I heard when plants drink more, nute level should go less to prevent over feed plants. My EC is at 1.3 right now.
I heard if plants need more food EC will go lower. My EC is pretty stable, but oh rise really quick.
@whitebb2727
How do you see over water?
Yes I did see some fungas gnats in the medium. I did you h2o2 some of them die in the nutes when water drain back to res.
Really appreciate you sharing your experienced and knowledge here!
I'm always humble learning.
Regarding to the autopilot controller.
I have one autopilot greenhouse master controller look pretty much the same as the one you showed above. But it cost me 4xx to get it. I only use it for control burner, and my Mini spilt and dehu control by their own.
Do I actually need the "master" one?
For the controller setup you mentioned above, do you connect exhaust fan for the tent with controller. Exhausts fan kick it when it reach to highest point you set?
What's the lowest point you set to shut off exhaust?
My room is 82-83 when light on. 75 lights off
RH around 60-70%
I can't take RH that high so i didn't have room temp high like 90
Would like to know more about your veg setup. I heard mini spilt is best option for cooling he room. Since there is no air exchange for mini spilt. Also no gas for veg.
I wonder how is mini spilt work without using gas.
For last two weeks before chop,
When Cut off gas, with no air exchange for the room would be fine?
@Garygoodson i did though about under feed, but they drink water really quick. I afraid I was high temp in grow tent cause that. I heard when plants drink more, nute level should go less to prevent over feed plants. My EC is at 1.3 right now.
I heard if plants need more food EC will go lower. My EC is pretty stable, but oh rise really quick.
@whitebb2727
How do you see over water?
Yes I did see some fungas gnats in the medium. I did you h2o2 some of them die in the nutes when water drain back to res.
whitebb2727
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The droop and wrinkles in the leaves.
ligrow
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its 35 days after flip.
I keep tent temp 81-84 when lights on 75-76 at night
RH around 50-60%
plants dont look healthy at all.
Im not sure if they are taking any advantage for using burner
For my other room without adding co2, buds look bigger at this stage
Any one pls check out whats wrong with my plants or setup
really appreciate that
Happy grow everyone
I keep tent temp 81-84 when lights on 75-76 at night
RH around 50-60%
plants dont look healthy at all.
Im not sure if they are taking any advantage for using burner
For my other room without adding co2, buds look bigger at this stage
Any one pls check out whats wrong with my plants or setup
really appreciate that
Happy grow everyone
