11/9 the day legal pot died

curious2garden

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that's canada, hillary said schedule II, several times. this would allow for testing and research. she said she was for that, but not legalization.
Schedule III trials in the US finished and it showed primary apoptosis in Glioblastoma. There are further results showing it makes cells more amenable to chemo therapy with the standard Cisplatins. De-scheduling is around the corner but whether they move it to II or III it doesn't affect recreational in our state. Unless the DEA goes nuts and I'd be sort of surprised by that.
 

cat of curiosity

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Schedule III trials in the US finished and it showed primary apoptosis in Glioblastoma. There are further results showing it makes cells more amenable to chemo therapy with the standard Cisplatins. De-scheduling is around the corner but whether they move it to II or III it doesn't affect recreational in our state. Unless the DEA goes nuts and I'd be sort of surprised by that.
wish we had the same privilege... we have to check every scratch and bump that goes nightly, nerve wracking and life shortening... peaches said 'high' c2g :)
 

Fogdog

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yes, DESCHEDULE!!!

schedule two means it can be used, but only pharma can produce, package, and distribute it through doctors. so NO GROWING, SMOKING OR INDIVIDUAL PRODUCTION.

is that not a big deal? you can't grow tobacco, you have to buy it. you can't make alcohol, you have to buy it. is that what you want with pot? to limit to a handful of fda approved strains and all else is destroyed, with the dea to enforce it?
Some inaccuracies have crept in to your dialogue.

  • Willow bark is not illegal for me or anybody to chew or make a tea from for their own medicinal purposes. Its even available in dried or extract form as an herb online. It is not sold for use as a medicine, the commercial sellers sell it as a supplement.
  • It is perfectly legal to grow, dry and smoke home grown tobacco. Don't sell it without going through regulatory maze
  • It's perfectly legal to grow or buy wine grapes and make wine. Also legal to make beer -- high gravity beer is pretty strong, just saying beer and wine are forms of alcoholic beverages. Both used to be outlawed under prohibition but within limits, they are legal to make at home. Don't sell it without a permit.
  • Distilling alcohol for drinking is still illegal although fuel alcohol permits are easy to get, just don't sell it. For once, you are correct.
Just saying.
 
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cat of curiosity

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I agree but since we can manufacture and distribute a Schedule I why would I worry about re-scheduling to II? It will make it even less of a priority.
pharma will be in control, with the fda holding them up. billions in revenue, nothing for the closet grower. you can't do that, you need to go through pre-approved channels and deal with your script. another win for phillip morris and merck...

if there is money to be made, big money wants it. this is why you don't see very many new 'budwieser's'' and ''marlboros''...
 

cannabineer

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pharma will be in control, with the fda holding them up. billions in revenue, nothing for the closet grower. you can't do that, you need to go through pre-approved channels and deal with your script. another win for phillip morris and merck...

if there is money to be made, big money wants it. this is why you don't see very many new 'budwieser's'' and ''marlboros''...
But you see new and excellent India Pale Ales daily. I don't see the cottage end of the industry either rolled up or otherwise made irrelevant. If I don't like "Bud" weiser or Marl"boo" ... I can grow some of these excellent KK x KK and have a sassy peculiar asskicking confection that bigs won't try to chase.
 

curious2garden

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pharma will be in control, with the fda holding them up. billions in revenue, nothing for the closet grower. you can't do that, you need to go through pre-approved channels and deal with your script. another win for phillip morris and merck...

if there is money to be made, big money wants it. this is why you don't see very many new 'budwieser's'' and ''marlboros''...
The FDA has no enforcement arm. The FDA recommends the DEA decides then enforces. Big pharma can not pull this back. Although they can lobby. Legalizing changed everything, CA and CO make an unenforceable juggernaught that big pharma can't touch.

We will simply be ignored is my prediction.
 

Fogdog

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OK, what the heck has happened here? Suddenly there are polite, intelligent adults posting.

Trump really has made America great again!
About MJ on a Pot site. I would hope we can agree. Who knows what Trump will do when this issue comes up. All I've heard is he supports medical. No details.

I do think the cat's out of the bag and the public opinion is against harsh regs.

I also would like to see good science applied to the many claims for the benefits of MJ. So, we need to open the regulations up regarding research. Sanders proposed de-scheduling,

http://extract.suntimes.com/news/10/153/13981/no-senators-cosponsor-bernie-sanders-bill-end-federal-marijuana-prohibition

Bernie Sanders’ marijuana de-scheduling bill gets the cold shoulder from fellow senators.
 
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cannabineer

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OK, what the heck has happened here? Suddenly there are polite, intelligent adults posting.

Trump really has made America great again!
While you cannot spell "Politics' without 83.33% of "polite", I am shocked ... yea verily, forsooth ... at such an accusation. Those of us who are old enough to (naively?) select polite as a default are really, really looking forward to this issue going away so we can nap while protecting our soon-to-be-priceless jars of pre-Commercial weed ...
 

cat of curiosity

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Some inaccuracies have crept in to your dialogue.

  • Willow bark is not illegal for me or anybody to chew or make a tea from for their own medicinal purposes. Its even available in dried or extract form as an herb online. It is not sold for use as a medicine, the commercial sellers sell it as a supplement.
  • It is perfectly legal to grow, dry and smoke home grown tobacco. Don't sell it without going through regulatory maze
  • It's perfectly legal to grow or buy wine grapes and make wine. Also legal to make beer -- high gravity beer is pretty strong, just saying beer and wine are forms of alcoholic beverages. Both used to be outlawed under prohibition but within limits, they are legal to make at home. Don't sell it without a permit.
  • Distilling alcohol for drinking is still illegal although fuel alcohol permits are easy to get, just don't sell it. For once, you are correct.
My point is that errors in your claims make you seem a bit unreliable as a source of information. Especially when you claim to be such an expert. I wouldn't dismiss what you say about MJ rescheduling but will cross-check and look for a more consistently reliable source.
you are right, perhaps i figured you would understand the correlation and see the humor in it. i am, by the way, a notorious smart ass. i like to laugh and fuck around, it's better than dealing with pain and an inevitable end. so, to clarify, i'll explain my examples...

willow bark isn't illegal. but you can't make aspirin and sell it without fda approval.

as far as i know, it is illegal to grow tobacco privately in sc. you must have a license. not only my family (on the farm i grew up on) taught this, but it was well known in our county, and all surrounding. i don't feel like looking it up, but i've only ever seen on farm in my area with tobacco, and they DID have a license. this means you are probably right, or that it is legal some places but not necessarily others...

my family still has a grape vine brought back from italy at the end of wwII. we also grow scupernomes and muscadines. there was a gallon limit when i was young, don't remember what, but homemade wine and beer are all over here in fall/winter. you can't make whiskey, at all. illegal. no stills permitted whatsoever. so no selling, no whiskey legal. get caught with a still and no license, and it's prison.

ethanol fuel permits are ethanol fuel permits. you can drink it, but you better not get caught if you are permitted. they do regular inspections...

so if i'm unreliable, oh well, i guess that's what google was invented for. however, the fda and pharma aspect is a very real threat. try to make and market percoset if you don't believe me. i'm not out to 'bring you around' to my way of thinking, i only want you and others to think, and find out. grab an x-file, the truth is out there...
 
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