ttystikk
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Nah. It's much more fun to build it, instead.
GAS lantern Schedule & Diminished light
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Odin*
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They may not be watching the clock, they are aware of relative sundown and sun up. Following a healthy 18/6 one can note that the plants are ready for "bed" just before lights out (no longer reaching for the light), and ready for the "day" just before lights on (reaching for light that is about to come on, but not there yet).
Unaware of time, but subject to circadian rhythm. I've already posted the link (elsewhere) to a study that showed unusual light cycles upset a plants circadian rhythms which slows growth/development, decreases the plants health/vigor, and weakens it's immune system. Conclusion, "odd" light cycles have a negative effect on a plants metabolic pathways. Not "guesswork", factual info.
I've also previously posted a link that stated that elf3 halted growth and was at it's peak 14-16 hours after first light, regardless of dark period. Is 6/2x3 generating overlap between these periods of stagnation, an accumulation of inhibition? Is this odd light cycle also exhausting the elf3 protein (which is also associated with flowering), in turn delaying the onset of flowering during the initial "long night" catalyst to flowering? Maybe, would explain the stunted growth exhibited with the upset of circadian rhythms. Regardless of "Why?", we know the negative effects of "odd" light cycles on plant growth.
ttystikk
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And that sounds good... Except that my plants respond vigorously to my 6/2 x 3 schedule. Definitely no delays or slower growth happening here.
Odin*
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If I veg'd 3 months, I would have plants that were 15'-20' tall at the end of a 60 day bloom. You have stated that you veg for 3 months...
For the most part, we're dealing with "hearty" plants, they are capable of coping with quite a bit, but just because they survive and flower does not mean that they are doing so within an optimal setting.
You asked for "science", all of the science points to maintaining "regular" light cycles.
I think somebody with some space and time needs to set up a grow with 3 clones, a control, and two variables and run tests. This forum is full of pseudoscience and speculation and I feel there must be someone here with the resources to put some of it to bed. What do you guys think?
I could set something up but im a newb grower and doubt Id be able to control other variables.
I could set something up but im a newb grower and doubt Id be able to control other variables.
ttystikk
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You don't know the whole story of how I veg or why, so making such assumptions would likely only lead you astray.
phantumstranga
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In some states where you're only allowed very few plants some people have to vegetate for a prolonged period in order to LST and other forms of maximizing yield with your plants even if that means taking a bit longer to prepare them. Also I would imagine it has much to do with how many microorganisms in what dosage of feed is being used under how many watts per square inch of light etcetera etcetera. I recently made a post in the advanced cultivators section and no one has yet to respond with what hours they use for vegetative or for flowering or when they change over from metal halide to high pressure sodium in flour or if there actually is any benefit to Gaslight routine. Pardon me everyone I'm on my phone talk to text isn't always great
Odin*
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Incorrect. 3 months veg is relative across the board. If one environment produces 15-20' monsters (I would generally refer to it as a "base", but with that amount of veg time they produce a "trunk" of 2-3" diameter, from experience) with a 3 month veg and another does not...
You're assuming that I have not experimented with "odd" lighting cycles and just sharing that which has been "Googled". No, I have experimented, it is no fault of my own that known science supports my experience. I don't share or contradict in an effort to justify or validate, I do so to help.
In no way am I trying to knock your efforts, but if you want my honest opinion/constructive criticism, you're leaving a lot on the table.
CO isn't that far, I need to bring some flav out to you and @Afgan King , as well as anyone in that "neighborhood". It would be my pleasure.
Nothing but well wishes and good vibes, honestly.
Odin*
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Just noticed this; There is much to consider when discussing "yield", prolonged veg does nothing but decrease said "yield". This is from a "net annual" perspective. Again, from experience, point of diminishing returns.
phantumstranga
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I agree but some individuals prefer the technique. It was just my theoryism ha
ttystikk
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He forgot to consider the effects of perpetual gardening in his timing.
Odin*
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I ran perpetual at one site for 5 years, does not alter anything I said, not one iota.
ttystikk
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Funny how it isn't reducing my yield. On the other hand, little or no veg time certainly would.
Odin*
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Really. How many "complete" grows do you finish in a single year/room. I accomplish 6 (per room/grow) You are "underachieving".
3 month veg, plus 8-9+ week bloom. Your "turnaround" does not allow for maximum results. Indubitable.
ttystikk
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I pull 6 or more every year.
Odin*
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No you do not. You said "Perpetual", which means that you are running 2, or more, different stages of bloom in the same room simultaneously. Let's assume its 2 within the given space, 50/50 split. That would mean that you would need to pull 12 to match a full room at 6 (at the very least, as the later stage plants take up a greater amount of space). You veg for 3 months, you would require significantly greater veg space to accommodate. If you do accomplish 12+ from the same room with a 3 month veg, you are sacrificing additional bloom space to do so, further decreasing your weight per sq'.
Numbers aren't adding up.
ttystikk
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I'm going to say this oooooone last time; you make far too many assumptions for your own good.
Odin*
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Fair enough. Ok, let's assume you pull 6 back to back without lapse or overlap, that, or 12 split. In order to achieve this you need to be running a greater amount of veg space VS bloom (6 back to back requires 6x3mo veg, 12 requires 12x3mo, but .5space). As I said, numbers don't add up. Nothing to assume, this is what you have stated.
I run 6-7 week veg, ~60 day bloom, 6 runs a year per room (separate from veg). Veg is approximately half the sq ft of bloom. Forget about per light (~3), average as high as 105.6g per sq ft (example is Gelato).