Why do my buds smell like hay?

drtricomb

drtricomb

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Uso it's my last grow for a while so I spent the money on the seeds nutes and fed them nothing but Poland springs water with CYCO ph stabilizer and flower power bloom nutes with .50 g per gallon of boost nutes which is just phosphorus and potassium the CYCO Kleanse dissolves any salts that doesn't get absorbed by the plant. It's also in three gallon pots with foxfarm ocean forest soil under 400w HPS. So next challenge is the cure ... It's the most important step IMO and I suck at it ... I cut whole plant hang upside down in complete darkness and 30% RH until small stems snap easy and the outside of the buds are dry then in the jars and "burp" them every day for 3 weeks but I can never fully get the smell out of the center of the bud... Any suggestions?
 
I'll say the bad word - "Flush" it before cutting. Quite a few growers here NEVER flush and seem to get great results. The herb I grew years ago tasted horrible until I started flushing.

Hold the presses - What I'm finding now is my herb is coming out tasting pretty good before flushing... I believe my herb tasted horrible before because I was pouring way too much nutrients into the herb. I have about 3 gallons of stuff for flushing from Advanced Nutrients left... When that runs out I'll try going back to not flushing and see how well the taste is...
 
dont panic Grow organic!

nature doesnt flush now does it? natural resources are gradually diminishing as natures season concludes. fruits receive less light, less food, more water and voila!!!

thank shiva for " The Cure", a bottled nutrient users must have habit. lol
 
chemphlegm said:
dont panic Grow organic!

nature doesnt flush now does it? natural resources are gradually diminishing as natures season concludes. fruits receive less light, less food, more water and voila!!!

thank shiva for " The Cure", a bottled nutrient users must have habit. lol
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Final Phase said:
I'll say the bad word - "Flush" it before cutting. Quite a few growers here NEVER flush and seem to get great results. The herb I grew years ago tasted horrible until I started flushing.

Hold the presses - What I'm finding now is my herb is coming out tasting pretty good before flushing... I believe my herb tasted horrible before because I was pouring way too much nutrients into the herb. I have about 3 gallons of stuff for flushing from Advanced Nutrients left... When that runs out I'll try going back to not flushing and see how well the taste is...
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Nature doesn't flush because nature isnt giving them heavy feedings of chemical salts and nutrients on a weekly or every other day basis prior to harvest like you said they naturally receive less organic food and more straight water which is kind of like flushing if you think about. (People get so touchy on the subject when its kinda preference in how you like your smoke)
Personally Im running a test using AN Flawless Finish on some Green Crack I am days from harvesting. I cut a small branch which is currently drying and was not flushed and Im going to harvest the rest of the 9 3/4 GC clones that have been flushed for about a week using this product and will let you know if i can tell any immediate differences.
 
NuggODank said:
Nature doesn't flush because nature isnt giving them heavy feedings of chemical salts and nutrients on a weekly or every other day basis prior to harvest like you said they naturally receive less organic food and more straight water which is kind of like flushing if you think about. (People get so touchy on the subject when its kinda preference in how you like your smoke)
Personally Im running a test using AN Flawless Finish on some Green Crack I am days from harvesting. I cut a small branch which is currently drying and was not flushed and Im going to harvest the rest of the 9 3/4 GC clones that have been flushed for about a week using this product and will let you know if i can tell any immediate differences.
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Do me a favor and send me a pm telling my the results of your test. Thanks in advance...
 
you're drying too fast. period. 30% rh is too low to dry at, it should take at least 5 days to get dry enough to jar, 7 is probably better.
its going into the jars too dry and the cure is already screwed, no matter how long you leave it in the jars. it has to be over 62% to cure, once it drops below the process is over.
 
drtricomb said:
I cut whole plant hang upside down in complete darkness and 30% RH until small stems snap easy and the outside of the buds are dry then in the jars and "burp" them every day for 3 weeks but I can never fully get the smell out of the center of the bud... Any suggestions?
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Yes. Next time, don't be lazy and do it right.

When you cut the WHOLE PLANT and hang it, it doesn't dry properly. That's what mass producers do because they don't particularly give a damn what they're selling as long as it sells.

Hanging the whole plant is not a good idea because the plant doesn't dry evenly. Much like a human being, the plant will attempt to live on and in so doing it will shut down flow to the outermost regions first, then the innermost last. So what you wind up with are the extreme outer parts getting way to dry from the get go while the innermost parts are still quite moist because they were still feeding on all the water left in that huge ass stalk (read as water reservoir) you hung up there with it.

Next time, break it down into much smaller pieces. One stalk is the BIGGEST piece you should ever have, and I typically even halve those as well.

The situation you have is directly caused by the way you hung the entire plant. It dried the ever loving shit out of the outermost buds to a point you screwed them up huge.

It has nothing to do with anything else.

Done the right way (my way) your plants hang for 3 days at 45% or so...4 days at most. They go into jars and are done a week later tops.

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
and flushing is bullshit....just sayin....
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Absolutely correct.
 
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TacoMac said:
Yes. Next time, don't be lazy and do it right.

When you cut the WHOLE PLANT and hang it, it doesn't dry properly. That's what mass producers do because they don't particularly give a damn what they're selling as long as it sells.

Hanging the whole plant is not a good idea because the plant doesn't dry evenly. Much like a human being, the plant will attempt to live on and in so doing it will shut down flow to the outermost regions first, then the innermost last. So what you wind up with are the extreme outer parts getting way to dry from the get go while the innermost parts are still quite moist because they were still feeding on all the water left in that huge ass stalk (read as water reservoir) you hung up there with it.

Next time, break it down into much smaller pieces. One stalk is the BIGGEST piece you should ever have, and I typically even halve those as well.

The situation you have is directly caused by the way you hung the entire plant. It dried the ever loving shit out of the outermost buds to a point you screwed them up huge.

It has nothing to do with anything else.

Done the right way (my way) your plants hang for 3 days at 45% or so...4 days at most. They go into jars and are done a week later tops.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Absolutely correct.
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Thanks man great advice ... I haven't harvested yet but will try your method when I do ... These plants have pretty big colas ... Should I just leave them the way they are or break those down as well .. These colas are thick and absolutly hold a lot of water
 
drtricomb said:
These plants have pretty big colas ... Should I just leave them the way they are or break those down as well .. These colas are thick and absolutly hold a lot of water
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You can leave those alone. It's the stalk you're really worried about. You don't want that main stalk attached to anything.

Take a good look at your plants. What you'll see is the central stalk is at least double the size of any branch. There's a reason for that - and it's the same reason your arteries are so huge compared to your capillaries.

Just get the branches off that main stalk and you should be OK. I let my branches grow out multiple branches on themselves for multiple smaller colas as well, so I also cut those off to dry separately as well.

That's how I net around 5 to 6 ounces per plant and only have to grow two plants per year in one grow.
 
TacoMac said:
Yes. Next time, don't be lazy and do it right.

When you cut the WHOLE PLANT and hang it, it doesn't dry properly. That's what mass producers do because they don't particularly give a damn what they're selling as long as it sells.

Hanging the whole plant is not a good idea because the plant doesn't dry evenly. Much like a human being, the plant will attempt to live on and in so doing it will shut down flow to the outermost regions first, then the innermost last. So what you wind up with are the extreme outer parts getting way to dry from the get go while the innermost parts are still quite moist because they were still feeding on all the water left in that huge ass stalk (read as water reservoir) you hung up there with it.

Next time, break it down into much smaller pieces. One stalk is the BIGGEST piece you should ever have, and I typically even halve those as well.

The situation you have is directly caused by the way you hung the entire plant. It dried the ever loving shit out of the outermost buds to a point you screwed them up huge.

It has nothing to do with anything else.

Done the right way (my way) your plants hang for 3 days at 45% or so...4 days at most. They go into jars and are done a week later tops.

Edit to add:


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Absolutely correct.
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sane!!!
 
Tupapa said:
Im just gonna copy and paste what i wrote in another thread because i don't fell like writing it again. Lol
Well harvesting at night does infact make your buds taste and smell better. chlorophyll is produced during the day as photosynthesis occurs. the plants break down sunlight and nutrients and turns them into energy for the plant. if the plants are cut during peak photosynthesis the chlorophyll will be abundant in the plants stems leaves and buds and produce a very grassy like smell / taste. during night hours chlorophyll production is halted. it makes sense that 72 hours of darkness would infact degrade all active chlorophyll in the plant and allow for the plant to taste much better. I always give my plants atleast 24 hours dark before I chop but try to give them 72 if I have time and patience enough.

Never heard of THC being active during the day ... kinda doesnt make any scientific sense at all really.
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also this that i just found on another thread from a very credible member :bigjoint:
I agree with the darkness period prior to harvest to try to halt chlorophyll production
Thanks for the knowledge @Tupapa
 
NuggODank said:
Nature doesn't flush because nature isnt giving them heavy feedings of chemical salts and nutrients on a weekly or every other day basis prior to harvest like you said they naturally receive less organic food and more straight water which is kind of like flushing if you think about. (People get so touchy on the subject when its kinda preference in how you like your smoke)
Personally Im running a test using AN Flawless Finish on some Green Crack I am days from harvesting. I cut a small branch which is currently drying and was not flushed and Im going to harvest the rest of the 9 3/4 GC clones that have been flushed for about a week using this product and will let you know if i can tell any immediate differences.
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So your expirement is to see if you tell a difference between bud that hasn't been flushed and bud that's been flushed for a week .......can't wait to hear these results ....even though I say that with a smile knowing the answer already .
 
Indacouch said:
So your expirement is to see if you tell a difference between bud that hasn't been flushed and bud that's been flushed for a week .......can't wait to hear these results ....even though I say that with a smile knowing the answer already .
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true true your entitled to your own opinion!! :bigjoint:
Ive decided about harvesting a few at a week and then letting a couple go for a little over two weeks and measure those to the branch I have of unflushed. Id rather be sure of what I believe then for myself then especially if i can test it myself in a controlled environment. Coming from La where a majority of the buds you find in shitty shops and sadly alot i get from some friends almost all hydro have not been flushed as opposed to higher end shops with more quality herb and I can (personally) tell the difference every time.
 
NuggODank said:
true true your entitled to your own opinion!! :bigjoint:
Ive decided about harvesting a few at a week and then letting a couple go for a little over two weeks and measure those to the branch I have of unflushed. Id rather be sure of what I believe then for myself then especially if i can test it myself in a controlled environment. Coming from La where a majority of the buds you find in shitty shops and sadly alot i get from some friends almost all hydro have not been flushed as opposed to higher end shops with more quality herb and I can (personally) tell the difference every time.
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Lots of us have done what your doing to see different things for ourselves ....that I can appreciate/respect instead of most people who just take people's word for stuff then back it up like they know wtf there talking about ,when in reality they don't ........so you mention above you taste differences in different shops/friends Hugh .....and you think those differences have to do with rather they flushed or not ????
I've never had a single person in all my years ask me if I flush to be honest .......but I'm not guna get into the debate since half the people or more who talk about flushing , don't even know wtf it is by definition ,,,I've had arguments with people only to find out there watering with a lil runoff and think there flushing .....all real flushing does is kill baby rhinos in Africa ...flushing is done with the handle on the left after you wipe your ass ........the whole taste thing you mentioned above made me laugh ..thanks for that ...GL with your project and remember placebo is a real thing




Poor lil rhinos
 
Indacouch said:
Lots of us have done what your doing to see different things for ourselves ....that I can appreciate/respect instead of most people who just take people's word for stuff then back it up like they know wtf there talking about ,when in reality they don't ........so you mention above you taste differences in different shops/friends Hugh .....and you think those differences have to do with rather they flushed or not ????
I've never had a single person in all my years ask me if I flush to be honest .......but I'm not guna get into the debate since half the people or more who talk about flushing , don't even know wtf it is by definition ,,,I've had arguments with people only to find out there watering with a lil runoff and think there flushing .....all real flushing does is kill baby rhinos in Africa ...flushing is done with the handle on the left after you wipe your ass ........the whole taste thing you mentioned above made me laugh ..thanks for that ...GL with your project and remember placebo is a real thing




Poor lil rhinos
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Thanks that what I am trying to do now that I dont have to rely on others to grow my medicine.
But to answer your question. No, the differences in taste of buds is not solely from whether the bud was flushed or not that would be nonsense to assume. But if it produces a smoke with kind of a bite to it && if a particular reoccurring taste that lingers in my mouth which is prevalent among some of the buds I get which have (great bag appeal) and when I notice this taste some of the ash is still very dark/ black and to mention the fact that its confirmed by the grower his/herself admit they did not flush at all or sometimes attempted to flush but got inpatient. I have no other option to assume its has something to do with them not doing it properly or from feedings their plants heavy chemically derived salts which most hydroponic nutes and fertz are

When I think about flushing a plant its not leeching the soil with absurd amounts of water killing rhinos in Africa and drowning your plants along the way no, its giving it regularly schedule waterings last couple weeks of harvest but using slightly more than usual plain PHd water (25%-35% RO), which causes minor deficiencies in the plant and causes it to feed off the remaining nutrients within itself.
 
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