Aaaa hahhahahahhahahaha
if there were enough people supporting him in the first place he may be somewhere right now. but to think even MORE people will support him now is just preposterous.
i know, the media held him back.
who is getting your vote?
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Aaaa hahhahahahhahahaha
if there were enough people supporting him in the first place he may be somewhere right now. but to think even MORE people will support him now is just preposterous.
i know, the media held him back.
you really don't believe it's even gonna be a factor do you?I'd be giddy, too, if Ron Paul actually took it as a write-in.
Seamaiden
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No, I don't, but I can dream can't I?
I should have quoted you, nailed ya with the quote gun.
As for Ron Paul's support, you'd be surprised how many people, once learning of the man, his actions and principles, do actually come to support him (pers. exp.). I am always surprised at the number of people who've never even heard of him, too. Calaveras County has heard of him, I love riding through there. Ron Paul for President signs all OVER the place, especially along Hwy 4.
In any event, the vast majority of people, voters or not, know very little about politics in general, let alone candidates, let alone those who haven't received popular attention. Also, the vast majority of those pretty much can't be arsed to learn what they can outside of sound bites and ads they see on television. God, the numbers of non-voters boggles me, flabbergasts me, even. They don't seem to realize their own strength, and completely fail to realize what a grave responsibility it is to let others make decisions for them. What a grave, grave mistake.
I should have quoted you, nailed ya with the quote gun.
As for Ron Paul's support, you'd be surprised how many people, once learning of the man, his actions and principles, do actually come to support him (pers. exp.). I am always surprised at the number of people who've never even heard of him, too. Calaveras County has heard of him, I love riding through there. Ron Paul for President signs all OVER the place, especially along Hwy 4.
In any event, the vast majority of people, voters or not, know very little about politics in general, let alone candidates, let alone those who haven't received popular attention. Also, the vast majority of those pretty much can't be arsed to learn what they can outside of sound bites and ads they see on television. God, the numbers of non-voters boggles me, flabbergasts me, even. They don't seem to realize their own strength, and completely fail to realize what a grave responsibility it is to let others make decisions for them. What a grave, grave mistake.
HotNSexyMILF
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Ron Paul has stated himself many times to vote 3rd party rather than write him in, in many states the vote is completely discounted and marked as invalid since Ron Paul is not an official 'write in candidate'. 3rd party is the message- over 50% of those registered to vote don't vote- then over half of those that do vote for the 2 major parties don't stand behind their candidate choice they're just 'picking the less of two evils' or who they 'think will win'.. so in actuality, we ARE the majority- those who don't really want either of the two party candidates...THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY, THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN.
We're busting ass to try and get 3rd party candidates even in the debates because the system is so bias against us, 3rd parties need to be made viable in order for this to change- voting 3rd party is the only way to start the ball rolling so we can change this stupid mindset that 'a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote'- NO, the only wasted votes in this country are the one's made 'for the lesser of two evils'
We're busting ass to try and get 3rd party candidates even in the debates because the system is so bias against us, 3rd parties need to be made viable in order for this to change- voting 3rd party is the only way to start the ball rolling so we can change this stupid mindset that 'a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote'- NO, the only wasted votes in this country are the one's made 'for the lesser of two evils'
HotNSexyMILF
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Fuck Bob Barr.. right now it'll probably be Chuck Baldwin for me..
but honestly, we know a 3rd party candidate isn't going to win this election.. not yet.. so in reality, it doesn't matter which 3rd party candidate you vote for, just as long as it's 3rd party... that 3rd party agreement put me at ease a lot- shyt I'd even vote for Nader after that agreement, least they see wtf is going on.. those certainly are my biggest 4 issues- foreign policy, privacy, the Federal Reserve, and the nation debt..
but honestly, we know a 3rd party candidate isn't going to win this election.. not yet.. so in reality, it doesn't matter which 3rd party candidate you vote for, just as long as it's 3rd party... that 3rd party agreement put me at ease a lot- shyt I'd even vote for Nader after that agreement, least they see wtf is going on.. those certainly are my biggest 4 issues- foreign policy, privacy, the Federal Reserve, and the nation debt..
TheBrutalTruth
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That is the stupidest load of BS I have ever seen.
Of course my vote matters, if it tips the scales from altering the balance of power from the current two-party system to a multi-party system, or just makes it easier for the Libertarian Party to get matching federal funds or increased donations then my vote isn't wasted.
That, and Obama and McCain both suck. Both of them are out to screw over the middle class and make it harder for us to advance. One wants to tax us to death and the other is obviously a corporate shill for the Health Insurance Industry.
I think some one else on this forums said
"The lesser of two evils is still evil."
That sums it up, and thats why it matters who I vote for, and that I do indeed vote.
HotNSexyMILF
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NP.. when you see how much these 3rd party candidates need to go through to even get on the ballots in the first place- you realize how big of a fucking sham the system is.. they need tens and tens of thousands of signatures to even get on the ballots for a few states- let alone all of them (we're talking hundreds of thousands of signatures).. the notion that these people shouldn't even be presented to the American people for consideration is an outrage! These people should be in the debates- these people are a fucking option- I'm sick of those with money and those controlling the media convincing the public we must choose between 'these two' the others 'aren't viable'.. I wouldn't goto a restaurant that only served two spam dishes.. GOD DAMMIT, I WANT STEAK.
HotNSexyMILF
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+1
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost" John Quincy Adams
You "Americans" advocating that people's votes don't count, or that 'they should just stay home' make me f*cking sick. How dare you! These types of comments show an utter disregard for the men and women who gave their lives for this right.
Bongulator
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You forget, I've taken gunfire in support of that right too. I didn't DIE, but hey, I think it's simply wise to make the other guy die for his country, instead of me dying for mine. And, so what? It's just a fact. No third-party candidate will get even a single electoral vote, which means they don't matter. If you think I'm wrong about that, care to make it interesting and put your money where your mouth is? I'll put $100 on it, and I'll cover ten people, betting that McCain and Obama get every single electoral vote. If no one is willing to take me up, well, then you're just blathering.
And my word is absolutely good. I once bet a guy that Spock wouldn't come back after Wrath of Khan. Well, a year or two later, there was Spock again. I paid the guy immediately after seeing the movie. He'd forgotten all about it and was shocked when I handed him the money, couldn't figure out what it was for until I explained. He laughed (but he did take the money).
Any takers? Easy money if you believe what you say you do. Heck, you could go out and help drum up enough support to help someone get one electoral vote, whoever you want. Obviously, I've lost bets before, and I could be totally wrong. But I don't think I am, and I'll put money on it. In this case, I would not mind being proved wrong and losing the bet. I wish third-party candidates did matter.
And my word is absolutely good. I once bet a guy that Spock wouldn't come back after Wrath of Khan. Well, a year or two later, there was Spock again. I paid the guy immediately after seeing the movie. He'd forgotten all about it and was shocked when I handed him the money, couldn't figure out what it was for until I explained. He laughed (but he did take the money).
Any takers? Easy money if you believe what you say you do. Heck, you could go out and help drum up enough support to help someone get one electoral vote, whoever you want. Obviously, I've lost bets before, and I could be totally wrong. But I don't think I am, and I'll put money on it. In this case, I would not mind being proved wrong and losing the bet. I wish third-party candidates did matter.
HotNSexyMILF
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Lame bet as Ross Perot himself didn't get one electoral vote while taking 18.9% of the popular vote. (if that doesn't show you that our system is broken I don't know what to tell you) This alone scared the establishment so much they had to rearrange who was in charge of the debates so that a challenge could never happen again.
You made an oath to this country- I'd like to see you stand by it. Foreign and DOMESTIC.
You made an oath to this country- I'd like to see you stand by it. Foreign and DOMESTIC.
NewGrowth
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Viva la revolucion!!! I have a gun lets take the white house by force!! Here is one of my favorite american historical documents: But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. -Declaration of Independence. A Ron Paul vote is worth more than sitting at home any day in my opinion. Its a small statement that there are still americans that still stand for the principles this country was founded on.
cleatis
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I personally think there needs to be a balance of the two, but republicans have had their way long enough, it's time for some new blood.
smoke2jointsindamorning
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In the end they are ALL politicians......What can we really expect?Democrat Rebulican or somewhere in between,does anything EVER actually change really?My first election so I don't really know what to expect!?!
Democrat blood is hardly "new blood", though.
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