Study: Hillary Clinton’s TV ads were almost entirely policy-free

[Padawanbater2]

What's the name for the political window, again?

The Overton Window

 

[UncleBuck]

Do you have any actual criticisms of his policy positions?

literally just go back a few posts.

 

[ttystikk]

nancy pelosi was one of the most effective speakers ever. the amount that dems got done under her leadership in the 111th is unequaled.

unlike boehner and ryan, she was actually good at her job.

Effective for whom, exactly?

I'm willing to get involved with the Democratic Party, as long as I think there's any chance they'll represent my interests.

 

[ttystikk]

If you think the American people are ready to accept "Commies" (their words, not mine) then you're completely deluded.

They might even like what you're selling, but one simple "Socialism" and you've lost half the country.

It's just a name.

The Republicans are doing a much better job of living up to the epithet of 'fascists' but if labels are enough to sway people as you say then we're lost.

 

[UncleBuck]

Effective for whom, exactly?

women who want equal pay (lily ledbetter fair pay act), the millions of people who went back to work and the tens of millions of people who saw a lower tax burden (ARRA), anyone with pre-existing conditions, cancer patients fighting lifetime caps, and the like (PPACA), those with student loans (student loan reform), children and low income families like flaming pie (CHIP act), people who want to see wall street reform (dodd frank), gay service members and their spouses (DADT repeal), 9/11 first responders (9/11 first responders health care act)...

do you really need me to list what we did in the 111th? it's a long list.

 

[ttystikk]

women who want equal pay (lily ledbetter fair pay act), the millions of people who went back to work and the tens of millions of people who saw a lower tax burden (ARRA), anyone with pre-existing conditions, cancer patients fighting lifetime caps, and the like (PPACA), those with student loans (student loan reform), children and low income families like flaming pie (CHIP act), people who want to see wall street reform (dodd frank), gay service members and their spouses (DADT repeal), 9/11 first responders (9/11 first responders health care act)...

do you really need me to list what we did in the 111th? it's a long list.

Where's campaign finance reform? Without that, we're just running around with a scoop to clean up the Republican party's shit.

Reaction leaves the initiative to the opposition and as such is a losing strategy.

 

[Padawanbater2]

literally just go back a few posts.

the guy who wants no restrictions on muzzle size, clip size, attachments, and wants to make guns safer through unexplainable "personal responsibility" and who thinks we should bring prayer into the classroom?

LULZ

"Strong Supporter of the 2nd Amendment and personal right to bear and keep arms - Improve legislation by implementing personal responsibility instead of creating more red tape for: attachments, muzzle size, magazine/clip size, etc.

"Unexplainable" personal responsibility?

Here's Sam explaining personal responsibility;

You claimed he said he wants "no restrictions on muzzle size, clip size, attachments", while he said he believes it is more effective to improve the legislation that pertains to personal responsibility as opposed to adding or enforcing ineffective regulations that don't decrease or eliminate the initial problem. Those problems largely being socioeconomic and racial in nature, or due to catastrophic drug policy, all of which Ronan supports implementing effective progressive change in.

"Strong supporter of Religious Freedom - Prayer, "Under God," all these things are perfectly acceptable in our country and culture so long as they are optional and not forced. Prayer in the classroom may very well be a good thing so long as it isn't limited to Judeo-Christian religions only."

"who thinks we should bring prayer into the classroom"

Go ahead and tell me where you disagree with Ronan's position on religious freedom

He said he believes the freedom to express one's religion is acceptable as long as it's optional and not forced, you know, like how the 1st amendment to the Constitution protects? So tell me what you take issue with exactly?

Oh, nevermind. It was an obvious smear tactic, just like the DNC leadership did when they tried to smear Sanders as an atheist in the south during the primaries.

You have no legitimate criticisms of Ronan's policy positions. He's an actual progressive and you're not. That's how far identity politics gets you.

 

[ttystikk]

I've seen that posted a number of times.

Is there a graph that shows the entire house and senate?

Pretty sure I could guess where the dots blob up, would like to see if I'm wrong. Lol.

Politicalcompass.com

They only did them for presidential candidates, but it would be instructive.

 

[Padawanbater2]

women who want equal pay (lily ledbetter fair pay act), the millions of people who went back to work and the tens of millions of people who saw a lower tax burden (ARRA), anyone with pre-existing conditions, cancer patients fighting lifetime caps, and the like (PPACA), those with student loans (student loan reform), children and low income families like flaming pie (CHIP act), people who want to see wall street reform (dodd frank), gay service members and their spouses (DADT repeal), 9/11 first responders (9/11 first responders health care act)...

do you really need me to list what we did in the 111th? it's a long list.

They had the power to completely fund those same cancer patients bills, but chose to go with the Republican option the Heritage Foundation dreamt up in the 90s that Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts. A supermajority in congress when the ACA was pushed through. Progressives call that a failure, not an accomplishment.

Student loan reform you say?

Like how you still can't absolve student loan debt through declaring bankruptcy? Or maybe you mean how high the interest rates for student loans are?

What reform are you referring to?

"Wall Street reform" - an abysmal failure by the Democratic party, an absolute travesty they did not reinstate Glass-Steagall and strengthen the regulations on the financial industry. Because they didn't, we will inevitably face another financial crisis comparable, but probably much worse than 07-08, and with idiots like Trump in charge because idiots like you refuse to see the forest for the trees when it comes to Democratic leadership, you're the one sitting on the sidelines condemning those most vulnerable to the implementation of his policies.

You are a white male after all

 

[ttystikk]

The Overton Window

Right.

@SneekyNinja this is why anyone who isn't a conservative gets labeled a socialist.

 

[ttystikk]

They had the power to completely fund those same cancer patients bills, but chose to go with the Republican option the Heritage Foundation dreamt up in the 90s that Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts. A supermajority in congress when the ACA was pushed through. Progressives call that a failure, not an accomplishment.

Student loan reform you say?

Like how you still can't absolve student loan debt through declaring bankruptcy? Or maybe you mean how high the interest rates for student loans are?

What reform are you referring to?

"Wall Street reform" - an abysmal failure by the Democratic party, an absolute travesty they did not reinstate Glass-Steagall and strengthen the regulations on the financial industry. Because they didn't, we will inevitably face another financial crisis comparable, but probably much worse than 07-08, and with idiots like Trump in charge because idiots like you refuse to see the forest for the trees when it comes to Democratic leadership, you're the one sitting on the sidelines condemning those most vulnerable to the implementation of his policies.

You are a white male after all

The one and only thing I disagree with in this entire post is the assertion that @UncleBuck is an idiot. He may be wrong- and it's far from proven that he is- but he isn't an idiot or a reactionary.

Accountability at all levels of government from the White House to the beat cop is such a fundamentally sound principle that the only ones fighting against it are those who know they're gaming the system.

 

[Wilderb]

No cable, wireless phone? They all offer internet around here. Several wireless companies.

Internet IS offered by the ONE cellular company that works where I live. They have plans based on usage. They recommended the middle to high volume based on my teenage daughters. Only $340 a month.
So sure I got choices, but their pretty shitty options.

 

[Wilderb]

I thought they just barely squeaked by with the help of 18th century election rules.

Wipe the floor kinda means landslide, no?

Call it what you want. WHO is in charge of EVERYTHING? That didn't all happen in just one election.
I totally agree on the fucked up election rules. To me that is one of the main points of this mess.
IF we don't fix the way our districts at the state level are designed and the electoral college, that means that the next election will have to be won by MORE than 3 million votes.
If the dems can't pick up the progressives, how do they accomplish that?
MOST of the country agrees with a progressive agenda IMHO. I carried the water this time, voted for clinton.
But many didn't and TBH, next time I won't either.

 

[Wilderb]

The guy who want's to reform campaign finance

I would support a candidate who wants to legalize fully automatic weapons and reform campaign finance over a candidate who wants to ban assault rifles who continued to accept corporate bribes

WTF do we need automatic weapons for?

 

[tangerinegreen555]

IF we don't fix the way our districts at the state level are designed and the electoral college

You're preaching to the choir, man.

As far as the quoted statement, THEY already 'fixed' it against us, they have brainwashed followers, and the obstacles in our way are formidable.

So it's no easy task.

 

[ttystikk]

You're preaching to the choir, man.

As far as the quoted statement, THEY already 'fixed' it against us, they have brainwashed followers, and the obstacles in our way are formidable.

So it's no easy task.

Aristocracy is a very common trap for great civilisations.

It will claim us if we aren't smart enough to avoid it.

 

[UncleBuck]

Where's campaign finance reform? Without that, we're just running around with a scoop to clean up the Republican party's shit.

Reaction leaves the initiative to the opposition and as such is a losing strategy.

OMFG

DISCLOSE Act of 2010[edit]
The DISCLOSE Act (S. 362 was proposed in July 2010. The bill would have amended the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to prohibit government contractors from making expenditures with respect to such elections, and establish additional disclosure requirements for election spending. The bill would have imposed new donor and contribution disclosure requirements on nearly all organizations that air political ads independently of candidates or the political parties. The legislation would have required the sponsor of the ad to appear in the ad itself. President Obama argued that the bill would reduce foreign influence over American elections. Democrats needed at least one Republican to support the measure in order to get the 60 votes to overcome GOP procedural delays, but were unsuccessful.[8][9]

 

[UncleBuck]

They had the power to completely fund those same cancer patients bills, but chose to go with the Republican option the Heritage Foundation dreamt up in the 90s that Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts. A supermajority in congress when the ACA was pushed through. Progressives call that a failure, not an accomplishment.

Student loan reform you say?

Like how you still can't absolve student loan debt through declaring bankruptcy? Or maybe you mean how high the interest rates for student loans are?

What reform are you referring to?

"Wall Street reform" - an abysmal failure by the Democratic party, an absolute travesty they did not reinstate Glass-Steagall and strengthen the regulations on the financial industry. Because they didn't, we will inevitably face another financial crisis comparable, but probably much worse than 07-08, and with idiots like Trump in charge because idiots like you refuse to see the forest for the trees when it comes to Democratic leadership, you're the one sitting on the sidelines condemning those most vulnerable to the implementation of his policies.

You are a white male after all

"Strong Supporter of the 2nd Amendment and personal right to bear and keep arms - Improve legislation by implementing personal responsibility instead of creating more red tape for: attachments, muzzle size, magazine/clip size, etc.

"Unexplainable" personal responsibility?

Here's Sam explaining personal responsibility;

You claimed he said he wants "no restrictions on muzzle size, clip size, attachments", while he said he believes it is more effective to improve the legislation that pertains to personal responsibility as opposed to adding or enforcing ineffective regulations that don't decrease or eliminate the initial problem. Those problems largely being socioeconomic and racial in nature, or due to catastrophic drug policy, all of which Ronan supports implementing effective progressive change in.

"Strong supporter of Religious Freedom - Prayer, "Under God," all these things are perfectly acceptable in our country and culture so long as they are optional and not forced. Prayer in the classroom may very well be a good thing so long as it isn't limited to Judeo-Christian religions only."

"who thinks we should bring prayer into the classroom"

Go ahead and tell me where you disagree with Ronan's position on religious freedom

He said he believes the freedom to express one's religion is acceptable as long as it's optional and not forced, you know, like how the 1st amendment to the Constitution protects? So tell me what you take issue with exactly?

Oh, nevermind. It was an obvious smear tactic, just like the DNC leadership did when they tried to smear Sanders as an atheist in the south during the primaries.

You have no legitimate criticisms of Ronan's policy positions. He's an actual progressive and you're not. That's how far identity politics gets you.

 

[Big_Lou]

I'm a proud socialist. When I had very little I gave of myself, and since becoming financially comfortable years ago I give much more.

 

[Padawanbater2]

WTF do we need automatic weapons for?

We don't. We need campaign finance reform..