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twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Fogdog said:
I'm a prosperous white guy. I'm going to be fine. I want to live in a country where people have enough to eat, a place to live, equal rights and good prospects for the future. With Trump in charge, I don't see that and want to stop him and change the direction he's driving this country. Mine is a 1st world problem. Because I'm going to be OK, but I'm concerned for others and the long term damage to our democracy.

You on the other hand voted for the sucker. Have you taken a look at the cuts he's planning to make in the social safety net? Are some of them coming your way? Why don't you get that tattoo to present to Trump when he comes by for his regular shagging of you?
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Then feed and house some people out of your prosperity. Oh wait, way too much to ask there, point a gun at me instead and use force to accomplish your humanitarian goals.
 
PCXV

PCXV

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twostrokenut said:
Then feed and house some people out of your prosperity. Oh wait, way too much to ask there, point a gun at me instead and use force to accomplish your humanitarian goals.
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That works until a certain point when the problem keeps growing and individual charity is not enough. That's when we tell the government to step in and/or push for systemic changes or a new system to deal with the problem. Charity helps, but go search how little charity covers compared to real collective power the government is capable of. Some people are greedier than others, many people are losers and get left behind in a capitalist system. We collectivise to mitigate these problems because we all benefit from less homelessness, less hunger, less poverty, less health problems, etc. You don't see any merit in the idea that what is good for your state, your community is also good for you?
 
Big_Lou

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twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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PCXV said:
That works until a certain point when the problem keeps growing and individual charity is not enough. That's when we tell the government to step in and/or push for systemic changes or a new system to deal with the problem. Charity helps, but go search how little charity covers compared to real collective power the government is capable of. Some people are greedier than others, many people are losers and get left behind in a capitalist system. We collectivise to mitigate these problems because we all benefit from less homelessness, less hunger, less poverty, less health problems, etc. You don't see any merit in the idea that what is good for your state, your community is also good for you?
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Does it work? How would we know? How many on here advocating what you are, are actually charitable up to 90% which according to them they prolly could afford to do but simply won't, instead relying on government to be charitable for them?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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twostrokenut said:
Then feed and house some people out of your prosperity. Oh wait, way too much to ask there, point a gun at me instead and use force to accomplish your humanitarian goals.
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Once more a right wing zombie demand a centrist fix all the problems by himself. That's some lazy thinking there. Along the lines of the old grade school line "If you love it so much why don't you marry it?".

Libertarians have not a shred of connection with reality.
 
PCXV

PCXV

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twostrokenut said:
Does it work? How would we know? How many on here advocating what you are, are actually charitable up to 90% which according to them they prolly could afford to do but simply won't, instead relying on government to be charitable for them?
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Yes it works as evidenced but of course it isn't perfect. Nobody is saying 90% tax on wealth or income starting at $0. We are the government.

Is your argument that because no system to mitigate the suffering of the inherent losers in a capitalist system is perfect that we should do nothing?
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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fdd2blk said:
That's not really how it works though, otherwise we'd already be there. People are evil.
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I see you say that quite a bit. "people are evil." The reality is quite the opposite. If all people were evil then societies wouldn't work. All people are capable of evil but not all humans are evil.
If you feel all people are evil, I can only assume you hang around some shady people, hence your views of humanity.
 
Big_Lou

Big_Lou

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thenotsoesoteric said:
I see you say that quite a bit. "people are evil." The reality is quite the opposite. If all people were evil then societies wouldn't work. All people are capable of evil but not all humans are evil.
If you feel all people are evil, I can only assume you hang around some shady people, hence your views of humanity.
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It's a case of pure projection. Davey is a spiteful, miserable person that sees himself as 'evil'.

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thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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twostrokenut said:
Then feed and house some people out of your prosperity. Oh wait, way too much to ask there, point a gun at me instead and use force to accomplish your humanitarian goals.
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So if one is forced to follow society's parameters, as defined by said society, should I be mad I'm forced not to shoot people when they piss me off? Should I be mad I'm forced to pay for a product when I could just as easily steal it? Should I be mad that I had to help pay for a highway in Arizona that I'll never use? Where does this line of offense and force begin and where does it end?

Just curious because I'd like to know what logic is in this line of thinking. Also when was the last time you were held at gun point forced to be a humanitarian? I'm willing to bet that scenario has never and will never happen to you but everyone loves a whopper of a fish tale.
 
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fdd2blk

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thenotsoesoteric said:
I see you say that quite a bit. "people are evil." The reality is quite the opposite. If all people were evil then societies wouldn't work. All people are capable of evil but not all humans are evil.
If you feel all people are evil, I can only assume you hang around some shady people, hence your views of humanity.
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I don't think I ever said "all people". All you need is a few sprinkled here and there and shit goes downhill. Do you lock your doors at night? Why?

People molest children.
People chop off people's heads over drug turf.
People shoot each other dead because of traffic jams.
People rob you while you're at work.
People shoot your dog because they wear a badge.
People rape you walking home from the grocery store.
People bomb civilians over religions beliefs.

Do you need more examples? Maybe some pictures?

If you try to deny the evil that people spread then you are either dumb or sheltered.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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fdd2blk said:
I don't think I ever said "all people". All you need is a few sprinkled here and there and shit goes downhill. Do you lock your doors at night? Why?

People molest children.
People chop off people's heads over drug turf.
People shoot each other dead because of traffic jams.
People rob you while you're at work.
People shoot your dog because they wear a badge.
People rape you walking home from the grocery store.
People bomb civilians over religions beliefs.

Do you need more examples? Maybe some pictures?

If you try to deny the evil that people spread then you are either dumb or sheltered.
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Well no fucking shit people can be evil, absolutely no one is making the argument that zero people are evil. Your logic is shitty bro.
 
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fdd2blk

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SneekyNinja said:
If everyone just stopped and gave a couple of bucks this country could be fixed overnight.

We don't need politicians to do it for us, it's a simple choice anybody can make at anytime.
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It won't work because people are evil.


For those who got lost. ;)
 
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