my viparspectra is wiping the floor with my vero29s watt for watt

[whitebb2727]

can you explain why the other tent is looking fine? my feeding and watering schedule has worked for years without vero bulbs, if the plants need more food and water with these bulbs it's a learning curve which is why i'm asking.. i really want these bulbs to work. the fact these plants are dry in the picture doesn't mean they are chronically underwatered, they are about to be transplanted in the picture

I don't mean to be rude.

Different lights, soil, strains, any variable can change how a plant responds.

Veg is the easier part of the grow. I get it can still be screwed up. I burnt some the other day myself. I wasn't thinking. My veg and flower cab are hooked together. I turned my fan down so I could clean the pre filter on my carbon filter. My veg area got too hot.

As you said its a learning curve. Its not the lights fault though. The Vero is a better light.


Mainly the one looked really dry.

 

[Enigma]

All in all, those Veros should be putting out four times the light of that 200W blurple, easily.

That would explain the deficiencies. The plants under the Veros need more food because they are getting more light.

Try running the Veros at half power and lowering them to 45-50 cm with the same feed, I wouldn't doubt the perk up then.

 

[Evil-Mobo]

No that's a typo I'm sorry should read 220 watts

 

[Psyphish]

Coco should never be that dry, especially in fabric pots.

 

[Ivan___]

Coco should never be that dry, especially in fabric pots.

understood. I like to dry them out for transplanting because the plants come out easy so i don't have to destroy the felt

I don't mean to be rude.

Different lights, soil, strains, any variable can change how a plant responds.

Veg is the easier part of the grow. I get it can still be screwed up. I burnt some the other day myself. I wasn't thinking. My veg and flower cab are hooked together. I turned my fan down so I could clean the pre filter on my carbon filter. My veg area got too hot.

As you said its a learning curve. Its not the lights fault though. The Vero is a better light.


Mainly the one looked really dry.

good thing because I'm not getting my $800 back !

I'm still excited to see what these lights can do, especially in flower. I have a 5x5x80" flowering tent going right now with 700 watts of mars hydro which has worked okay.

Would 600 watts of the vero29 be a huge upgrade in terms of density and yield ? could i shove any more light in there or is 600 going to be plenty ?

 

[whitebb2727]

This is under 200 watts of citizen cob.

I've got 3 under it. They were small when I started flowering them. My next run will be bigger.

 

[Ivan___]

This is under 200 watts of citizen cob.
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I've got 3 under it. They were small when I started flowering them. My next run will be bigger.

i would like to see how they look in another month !

i can tell it was the COBs from the large, thin bladed leaves

looks good , what size pot is that ?

 

[ttystikk]

i would like to see how they look in another month !

i can tell it was the COBs from the large, thin bladed leaves

looks good , what size pot is that ?

Thin bladed leaves is strain, not lighting.

 

[Ivan___]

Thin bladed leaves is strain, not lighting.

Every plant I put under the COBs showed this type of leaves, and every plant under the vipar is putting out smaller, thicker leaves. They are all the same strain. Someone ITT suggested that the leaves fatten up to absorb more light under the weaker lights.

those also don't look like a plant with naturally thin leaves. I expect under a different light it would have chunky indica fan leaves

 

[714steadyeddie]

understood. I like to dry them out for transplanting because the plants come out easy so i don't have to destroy the felt



good thing because I'm not getting my $800 back !

I'm still excited to see what these lights can do, especially in flower. I have a 5x5x80" flowering tent going right now with 700 watts of mars hydro which has worked okay.

Would 600 watts of the vero29 be a huge upgrade in terms of density and yield ? could i shove any more light in there or is 600 going to be plenty ?

I laughed my ass off when I read your title.

It's a learning curve fursure. Put it this way you were riding a bike with that blurple led and now you're driving a stick shift muscle car.

Just play around with the feedings as you'll see they eat more under stronger lights.

I fuck with veros so hard. Still don't have it all the way down but multiple small feeds through out the lights on cycle seem to help.



400w timber Vero 29 kit in a 3x3
3 gallon coco tupur pot. Day 13 since flip.

 

[Photon Flinger]

Get them big and fat under the vipar and then move them under the Veros for flower.

I think you can get a general agreement that blurples are fine for veg. Some may even say they are better at veg.

 

[SoOLED]

its been said already, no light is gonna make your plant yellow bottom up.

 

[Enigma]

its been said already, no light is gonna make your plant yellow bottom up.

The plant in the last photo is in need of NPK, it is showing signs of all three as well as a Cal/Mag issue.

This is very common.

 

[MMJ Dreaming 99]

Thank you for the patient and informative response. I think the lights are a bit overkill for the young plants which were only 30 days from seed. I tried to compensate by putting the lights very far above the plants but the better method would have been to dim the lights. I am going to try running the lights at 50% output and lowering them to 18 inches from the canopy. I will also water the vero plants daily as opposed to every other day, increase the calmag and nutes to 4/5 watering from every other water.

I have 400 watts more of vero which arrive in a couple of weeks. At that point I will consider putting all the vero's into my flowering tent and using the blurples for veg

- do you mean to say 2200 watts in a 3x3 tent?

Baby plants like weak lights like T5 and T8s.

 

[Ivan___]

Baby plants like weak lights like T5 and T8s.

I finally swapped out 750 watts of mars hydro lights in my flowering tent for 600 watts of vero29 on over some plants in week 3 of 12/12

Checked them after 48 hours and I have NEVER seen plants grow so fast. The plants literally grew up to 3" in height with enormous verdant, beautiful thin bladed leaves sprouting up everywhere. NO issues with discoloration or burning. Absolutely satisfied with my COB lights for flowering and eager for the lights to come on again so I can see the daily progress

 

[ChaosHunter]

Click the link in my sig, That is done with COB LED 75W-175W on a dimmable driver. small pre teen plants start at 75W and go up from there. Due to the better quality of light with COB LED the plants will want more nutes.

 

[ZeroTrousers]

You're not feeding enough for sure, probably also need to add Calmag.

I've had the exact opposite experience. Was able to get my blurples really close to my plants, but they never had lush growth and the terps never seemed to jump out at you.

Just 'finished' (flushing) my first COB grow - the plants grew easily twice as fast, nice dense structure for a sativa-dom hybrid and an awesome smell. I mean, open the tent a foot with the fans off and you'll smell it through the whole house.

The big difference is the amount you need to feed. You're more than doubling your PAR watts and thus you need to double your feedings to keep up. That means removing more humidity to help the plant transpire. Think of humidity kinda like a plant's version of stale air. The plant can still breath in stale air, but not as well - if it reaches and stays at 100% humidity the plant can't get fresh air (nutrients) and stops growing. This especially impacts less mobile nutrients like calcium and lower reactivity metals.