Exactly, apples to apples.
I run two for flower, I wouldn't dare run 3. I have to be careful with 2 due to intensity.
The dudes issue really is he needs to try the 2700k to emulate the growth he is used to getting in veg so he can properly evaluate.
the 2700k is sitting on my porch as I type this. When I leave my building I plan on putting the 2700k together tonight. dimming may have been an option but my fear is I would not get the same rapid growth. I have a few outside plants I through in the backyard just for shits and they are doing great. node spacing is how I like and very lush as usual. I use left over nute water without issue.
I dont want the plants to necessarily stretch I am looking for broader internodes if that makes sense.
Sounds like you would get better results by dimming your 4Ks. I grew some LA Confidential outdoors and I was having the same node issue. I gave a clone of the same LA Con to a local grower who got giant colas by vegging under flouros! Less light makes them stretch. LEDs are way more intense than any light you have ever used. You will notice more and bigger fan leaves. This is the plant trying to protect itself from the intense light.
I worked on a project where they were using LED lasers. You can't see the light but it will blind you in seconds. Wear eye protection.
Hydro. 2 gal buckets
Veg is SE hps some of the lamps use conversion bulbs which was done purposely and we have had great results as well.(yesI know conversion bulbs dont work as well as running straight MH or straight hps but I promise the results are good.) Bloom DE hps. I should of clarified better but your vertical style wouldn't work for us(though it looks to work wonderfully) or I should say work for what I need today. I am far from rich and have everything I own invested so I am sticking to whats tried and true and mixing what has worked for us and worked for me in the past. I saw a thread with the vert led mixed in which I thought was very promising.
Right now I cant play or experiment too much. I have time deadlines for applications and fees with the state and city which aint cheap so I cant experiment and do trials and test too too much. Plus learning a new method, small nuances, learning curve and etc is too much to even think about putting on my plate. Contractors are finishing my roof, brick layers will be done this week. My steel security doors are here and I need to install them before I put the big steel doors on top of them. As you can see I can deviate to far right now as I got a lot of shit going on, on top of maintaining other separate gardens.But you telling me 3k and 3.5k worked well for you makes me feel confident in my decision.
I've used HPS in veg for years to great effect. I'm curious about how you bloom?
I used HPS to stretch the plants so they'd work on my vertical trellis, which leads to my second question, what kind of vertical were you saying would not work for you?
Most recently I've used 3000K and 3500K LED for veg and both work great; good growth and they gain height well.
My understanding is different but If you have some material off hand I could check out I most certainly would take a read. Im no know it all and im a sensible individual.So further educating myself is right up my alley
But logic tells me the light scatters since HLG sells lenses and reflectors on their website to prevent the very thing you and I are discussing.
No, light from a bulb is not directional, the shape of the bulb makes it impossible to not scatter the light. A little trig will tell you that only a few degrees of light falls directly downward from a cylindrical light source.
Without lenses, an LED has a pattern of light that fans out from the led in a 105-120 degree, very little exits the side of the diode. Thus, LED is much more concentrated below the light than with any type of conventional bulb, even without lenses. And the science to back it up is out there, you can find it.
Ledgardner I believe his name is has the map on his youtube. I have yet to find a lamp that didnt have weaker edges. only way to circumvent that is run the lamp closer to the canopy which still leaves you with weaker edges, add supplemental lighting, or swap plants around like most growers do.
Would like to see the PAR map of 4x4 with the 260w in there. Certainly would be weak corners.
Two triple slates might be way to go also.
Thank you all for input and feedback. More information we have the less redundancy we will see on the forums and people will be able to use that search function more.
