coppershot
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I fully agree and the market will set the price as vslue is only what consumers are willing to pay. So if LP's and the government want high prices then the blackmarket will thrive.
Ontario considers pricing recreational pot at $10 a gram
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ttystikk
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They've legalized Cannabis!who here actually thinks they want to get rid of the BM? Like really ..where have you all been? Not paying attention? They don't want it to go away....
That'd be giving billions of business away !!! and lost police jobs to CONTROL YOU SAD BUNCH OF POT HEADS! lol
They WONT do that eh
unless theyre forced!
heres betting they bust D's now and then and let them open back up again. Continually
part of doing business is to PAY THE PIPER after alllmao
..lol a revolving door of BUINESS!
...just not for YOU.
Hypocrisy; it's how government is done!
ttystikk
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The black market won't be paying taxes so they'll always be able to produce it for less.
If customers are willing to put up with rough trimmed weed, I see no reason it can't be profitably grown for less then $1.
Even a Canadian dollar.
ttystikk
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There's people all over this site who can grow it for less than $1000/kg. A LOT less. It's not that difficult, it just takes practice.
they've got a lot to learn
and learn them we shall!
Medical will PROVE otherwise and right down the fucking line it will go..
Time is the deal here folks.. and they can see it and smell it too lol
WHATFG
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I totally agree that time is key here....the longer the Provinces whine about time, the better for the BM...with maybe the exception of BC, the provinces are hooping themselves into deals with LPs...and we know who pays for those mistakes....does every province have a LP?...I assume governments will be able to import inter-provincially...they've got a lot to learn
and learn them we shall!
Medical will PROVE otherwise and right down the fucking line it will go..
Time is the deal here folks.. and they can see it and smell it too lol
ttystikk
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That's a dollar a gram. The point is that it's not a tough target to beat!less than a 1000...
must have stuttered
If people knew how easy and CHEAP it can be done lmao..
everyone would do it!
just having fun rubbing it in !
ttystikk
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We on the same side of this one, brother.just having fun rubbing it in !
Somewhere the greed is running out of control.
with the courts help. we'll tell them otherwise!
Farmer J BCNL
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I know that this idea is far fetched but, It would be nice if They would allow dispensaries for medical and LP's for recreational. Dispensaries could sign up non growing med patients and pass the scripts off to growing med patients. There would be lots of variety and anyone who submitted bunk would loose scripts to the guys submitting premium. Everything would be sold at compassionate prices and the dispensaries could compete by selling quality instead of pricing.they've got a lot to learn
and learn them we shall!
Medical will PROVE otherwise and right down the fucking line it will go..
Time is the deal here folks.. and they can see it and smell it too lol
ttystikk
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I have a better idea; legalize it outright and stop trying to place so many limits on it for the sake of excess profits to the politically connected.
The only people who need 'protecting' are minors, so require a prescription for them to use it.
That shit would never fly here in the States, but maybe Canadians have more common sense.
The only people who need 'protecting' are minors, so require a prescription for them to use it.
That shit would never fly here in the States, but maybe Canadians have more common sense.
thank you
and no our feds are complete fools
they only see the money and dont have a clue in hell what theyre doing
but its their problem
not ours
we already won in court
we're court approved to do as we may
there's zero they can do to mmar
but
we can take them back to court and show them the error of their ways
VIANARCHRIS
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Globe editorial: Why marijuana prohibition failed, and how legalization can succeed
6 hours ago September 22, 2017
Why is Canada legalizing marijuana, and why does the move – if done right – make sense? It's all about harm reduction.
Smoking marijuana has real health risks, particularly for young people. But the long-standing ban on the sale of pot isn't addressing them. The drug is widely available and widely used; according to the OECD, Canada has the developed world's highest rate of youth pot use. Prohibition's only real accomplishment is as an unintended industrial strategy, fostering a multibillion-dollar black market.
The federal government is ending the criminal ban on pot, but almost everything that happens after that is up to the provinces. Each has to strike a difficult balance: making pot available legally and widely, thereby pushing out the black market, while simultaneously creating a framework for discouraging the use and abuse of the drug, especially among teenagers and young adults.
From coast to coast, each province is likely to handle legalization differently, and that's a good thing. One of federalism's benefits is it lets the country run parallel experiments, so voters and governments can discover what works best. The province that wins this game is the one that shifts the most pot sales from the street to the legal market – while simultaneously leading the country in lowering marijuana use among young people.
It won't be easy, but it is possible. Two products with which governments have a lot of experience point the way: Alcohol and tobacco are the models for harm reduction.
Decades ago, alcohol prohibition was dropped in favour of legal sales. That happened because, despite the dangers of drink, outlawing booze gave rise to new and larger harms. Prohibition was a utopian approach: It aimed at harm-eradication, but delivered harm-multiplication. It has been replaced by a more realistic attempt at reducing harm through legalization, regulation and education.
With the end of prohibition, organized crime left the booze business. And while alcohol abuse remains a major health problem, its dangers have been gradually reduced. For example, the rate of drunk driving in Canada has fallen by more than two-thirds since 1989.
It's a similar story with cigarettes. Tobacco is addictive and smoking is terrible for human health, yet adults can buy cigarettes at any corner store. To discourage smoking, Canada uses a combination of taxation, regulation, stigmatization and education. In 1965, fully 50 per cent of Canadians were smokers, according to Physicians for a Smoke-Free Canada. By 2011, despite the widespread availability of cigarettes, the rate had fallen to just 17 per cent. In stark contrast to pot use, Canada has the developed world's lowest rate of youth smoking, according to the OECD.
The harms from tobacco and alcohol have not been eliminated, because that's not a realistic goal. But they have been reduced, while further reductions are always being sought.
Reasonable people can debate whether recreational marijuana is as bad as drinking and smoking. But it's pretty clear that it has downsides for human health, particularly when the humans in question are children or young adults. Research shows that those most at risk from marijuana use are under the age of 25, because their brains are still developing.
Yet according to Statistics Canada, teens and young adults are more likely than those over 25 to have used marijuana in the past year.
Canada's experience with alcohol and tobacco suggest that, if done right, marijuana legalization has a shot at improving the situation – cutting organized crime out of the equation, leading to a more law-abiding society, and, through regulation and education rather than prohibition, less use and less abuse.
Last week, Ontario announced its blueprint for doing just that. It's better than prohibition, but it's also flawed, and not what other provinces should copy.
Once the federal government fully legalizes recreational marijuana on July 1, 2018, the legal age to purchase it in Ontario will be 19 – the same as alcohol.
The scores of pot "dispensaries" that have recently sprouted up will still be illegal. Ditto for "that guy" who sells in your neighbourhood. The only legal seller of recreational marijuana in the province will be the government-owned Liquor Control Board of Ontario. The government says the price of pot will be low enough to compete with the black market, thereby snuffing out illegal sales.
The big flaw in Ontario's plan is this: The LCBO, one of the world's largest buyers and sellers of alcohol, won't be allowed to take full advantage of its enormous reach. Marijuana won't be sold in any of its existing 660 stores. Instead, the LCBO is going to set up a separate, and much smaller, retail marijuana operation.
It will offer online sales and home delivery, but when legalization arrives next summer, the LCBO's new pot arm will have just 40 stores open, rising to 150 by 2020. That's a much smaller footprint than the province's various illegal retailers. And that's a problem.
Legalization aims at getting rid of the black market, and replacing it with clean and legal sources of supply. But by so limiting the number of legal places to buy pot, Ontario risks helping the illegal market remain very much in demand. Allowing LCBO liquor stores to sell pot, or licensing and regulating even larger numbers of private retailers, as is done with beer and alcohol in some provinces, and with thousands of private stores selling tobacco, is a better approach.
Ontario is also restricting where marijuana can be smoked, with limits more stringent than those on tobacco smoking. The new right to use marijuana can't involve imposing second-hand smoke or other dangers on your fellow citizens – hence a ban on pot use in a car, similar to the long-standing ban on open alcohol.
Most other provinces have yet to release their legalization plans. They should carefully study what Ontario is doing, and improve on it.
6 hours ago September 22, 2017
Why is Canada legalizing marijuana, and why does the move – if done right – make sense? It's all about harm reduction.
Smoking marijuana has real health risks, particularly for young people. But the long-standing ban on the sale of pot isn't addressing them. The drug is widely available and widely used; according to the OECD, Canada has the developed world's highest rate of youth pot use. Prohibition's only real accomplishment is as an unintended industrial strategy, fostering a multibillion-dollar black market.
The federal government is ending the criminal ban on pot, but almost everything that happens after that is up to the provinces. Each has to strike a difficult balance: making pot available legally and widely, thereby pushing out the black market, while simultaneously creating a framework for discouraging the use and abuse of the drug, especially among teenagers and young adults.
From coast to coast, each province is likely to handle legalization differently, and that's a good thing. One of federalism's benefits is it lets the country run parallel experiments, so voters and governments can discover what works best. The province that wins this game is the one that shifts the most pot sales from the street to the legal market – while simultaneously leading the country in lowering marijuana use among young people.
It won't be easy, but it is possible. Two products with which governments have a lot of experience point the way: Alcohol and tobacco are the models for harm reduction.
Decades ago, alcohol prohibition was dropped in favour of legal sales. That happened because, despite the dangers of drink, outlawing booze gave rise to new and larger harms. Prohibition was a utopian approach: It aimed at harm-eradication, but delivered harm-multiplication. It has been replaced by a more realistic attempt at reducing harm through legalization, regulation and education.
With the end of prohibition, organized crime left the booze business. And while alcohol abuse remains a major health problem, its dangers have been gradually reduced. For example, the rate of drunk driving in Canada has fallen by more than two-thirds since 1989.
It's a similar story with cigarettes. Tobacco is addictive and smoking is terrible for human health, yet adults can buy cigarettes at any corner store. To discourage smoking, Canada uses a combination of taxation, regulation, stigmatization and education. In 1965, fully 50 per cent of Canadians were smokers, according to Physicians for a Smoke-Free Canada. By 2011, despite the widespread availability of cigarettes, the rate had fallen to just 17 per cent. In stark contrast to pot use, Canada has the developed world's lowest rate of youth smoking, according to the OECD.
The harms from tobacco and alcohol have not been eliminated, because that's not a realistic goal. But they have been reduced, while further reductions are always being sought.
Reasonable people can debate whether recreational marijuana is as bad as drinking and smoking. But it's pretty clear that it has downsides for human health, particularly when the humans in question are children or young adults. Research shows that those most at risk from marijuana use are under the age of 25, because their brains are still developing.
Yet according to Statistics Canada, teens and young adults are more likely than those over 25 to have used marijuana in the past year.
Canada's experience with alcohol and tobacco suggest that, if done right, marijuana legalization has a shot at improving the situation – cutting organized crime out of the equation, leading to a more law-abiding society, and, through regulation and education rather than prohibition, less use and less abuse.
Last week, Ontario announced its blueprint for doing just that. It's better than prohibition, but it's also flawed, and not what other provinces should copy.
Once the federal government fully legalizes recreational marijuana on July 1, 2018, the legal age to purchase it in Ontario will be 19 – the same as alcohol.
The scores of pot "dispensaries" that have recently sprouted up will still be illegal. Ditto for "that guy" who sells in your neighbourhood. The only legal seller of recreational marijuana in the province will be the government-owned Liquor Control Board of Ontario. The government says the price of pot will be low enough to compete with the black market, thereby snuffing out illegal sales.
The big flaw in Ontario's plan is this: The LCBO, one of the world's largest buyers and sellers of alcohol, won't be allowed to take full advantage of its enormous reach. Marijuana won't be sold in any of its existing 660 stores. Instead, the LCBO is going to set up a separate, and much smaller, retail marijuana operation.
It will offer online sales and home delivery, but when legalization arrives next summer, the LCBO's new pot arm will have just 40 stores open, rising to 150 by 2020. That's a much smaller footprint than the province's various illegal retailers. And that's a problem.
Legalization aims at getting rid of the black market, and replacing it with clean and legal sources of supply. But by so limiting the number of legal places to buy pot, Ontario risks helping the illegal market remain very much in demand. Allowing LCBO liquor stores to sell pot, or licensing and regulating even larger numbers of private retailers, as is done with beer and alcohol in some provinces, and with thousands of private stores selling tobacco, is a better approach.
Ontario is also restricting where marijuana can be smoked, with limits more stringent than those on tobacco smoking. The new right to use marijuana can't involve imposing second-hand smoke or other dangers on your fellow citizens – hence a ban on pot use in a car, similar to the long-standing ban on open alcohol.
Most other provinces have yet to release their legalization plans. They should carefully study what Ontario is doing, and improve on it.
Photon Flinger
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Anything that is sold for human consumption is regulated in some way shape or form. The public expects the government to do so.
That is where the problem is. The black market schmucks are complaining about being excluded because of all the rules involved to get legally authorized to produce. Using proper English, filling out a form and not having a criminal record are the issues this segment has. If you can use a spell checker, got though our education system and were a good boy or girl then it isn't a problem. Those vocal against the current legislative process are those who can't or never would qualify and are only concerned about losing customers to legal sources.
The voting public is generally fine with legalization with the exception of letting the seedy elements of society being involved in any capacity. That is why there is such an emphasis on the impact to the black market and keeping it out of the hands of kids. We already know that the black market has no scruples with lacing their wares with god knows what and using kids as runners to peddle their products to those who don't know better.
We have had medical access for a long time now so anyone who actually needs it has had a means to avoid the black market entirely whether it be with licensed producers or growing their own. Doctors are the gatekeepers as they should be since they are the best qualified to determine what is the proper medical treatment for a patient. Once again the black market elements complain about doctors not giving them what they want like high gpd scripts for a large plant count so they can sell their bunk on the street.
After a few years of legalization this won't even be a discussion as there will be enough time to establish a good, high quality craft market that will impact the black market because of superior quality. In the meantime we don't want more people dying from laced bunk such as that found on the streets of Vancouver. The only reason that Vancouver was allowing the grey area dispensaries was to try and stem that tide while the Federal gov establishes a regulated system.
And to be clear the black market up here doesn't produce good product at all. Anyone who can grow a flowering plant can easily produce better results. If you consider the LPs to be the fast food equivalent then the black market would be akin to dumpster diving behind a Chinese restaurant.
ttystikk
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I agree with most of this.
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