Will Congress act now?

[Rob Roy]

funny way to describe felons.

If you only use the language and meanings master lets you use, you often wind up failing to ponder things as they actually are, Nanny.

 

[PCXV]

Well, I'm sorry to cause your right wing hate boner to go flaccid, but I'm not a "right winger" or a "left winger".

Me dumb? Well, since you asked, no, I typically fall into the high 90th percentile when I'm stoned and a bit higher when I clean up, which might explain why you don't pick up on the ironic subtleties.

Still no evidence, no substance, just bullshit. Your beliefs are about feeling good, you stand for nothing.

I'll wait for your evidence. But you will probably just claim victory like you always do. You are right wing by definition, but even they are disgraced by you.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Thanks for rephrasing the question. I'll answer it, within the context of the way things actually happen, but people are trained to accept as "normal" and therefore beyond reproach...

No PERSON or GROUP OF PEOPLE (even those who call themselves "government" ) have a right to use or threaten to use offensive force. Since all people have the right to use DEFENSIVE force, I can't endorse an institution which relies on the application of offensive force for it's very existence to be the arbiter of who can or cannot have a gun. In other words your question is sort of a non sequitur to me, because I don't believe government as it presently exists has a basis in anything right...since it systemically relies on the use of guns / offensive force to gain compliance and for it's existence.



So, I think the question really ought to be, "if somebody uses a gun or threatens to use guns to get your compliance when you are not doing anything to them, are they wrong" ? I would answer yes to that question.

Your second question is a reasonable one. I don't think my emergency removes your right of self determination though, nor would it create a right for me to force a person to serve me. If it did, how about I clean out your bank account so I can buy my grandson a new bike or a new liver etc ?

Despite all the Uncle Buck tribe fucking with me about racism, I assure you, I think racists are being ignorant.

Huh. We’ll have to agree to disagree on both points I guess.

I’m a business owner, so I understand your point to a degree. If someone is being a belligerent asshole in my place of business, I reserve the right not to do business with that person. That’s based on the actions of that person though, not on skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Thats where the govt plays an important role imo. We agree that a person should not have to always be forced to associate with another person, but we part ways on where that is appropriately applied. I think your ideas would lead to a pretty messed up version of society. I couldn’t imagine a doctor refusing life saving treatment over the color of the patients skin. That’s taking things to an absurd level of “freedom”.

 

[Rob Roy]

To part 1, isn't the government using defensive force in the case of depriving a felon with guns? They are defending the right to life of other individuals, as decided by a democracy.

To part 2, you are undoubtedly a piece of shit for that opinion.

I'll need a minute to scratch my hairy ass, fart, laugh at your gullibility and then maybe come back and deflate your tiny tiny fallacious argument.

Or maybe I'll just let it hang out there as a testament to your gullibility.

 

[PCXV]

I'll need a minute to scratch my hairy ass, fart, laugh at your gullibility and then maybe come back and deflate your tiny tiny fallacious argument.

Or maybe I'll just let it hang out there as a testament to your gullibility.

Gullible to what? You think being vague and cryptic is clever, it's not. You are a spineless coward feigning enlightenment. You belong to the cult of thoughtless hypocrisy.

 

[Rob Roy]

besides you advocating for denial of service based on race?

What I'm advocating for is each individual person having EQUAL rights of self determination

Since I don't have the right to make another unwilling person associate with me, where would a group of people or another person get that right from, Rapey Mc'Nanny State ?

 

[PCXV]

What I'm advocating for is each individual person having EQUAL rights of self determination

Since I don't have the right to make another unwilling person associate with me, where would a group of people or another person get that right from, Rapey Mc'Nanny State ?

Didn't you just say you hated Lincoln because he thought blacks should leave America as they would never get whites to willingly associate with them? Isn't that pretty much what you believe too?

 

[Rob Roy]

Gullible to what? You think being vague and cryptic is clever, it's not. You are a spineless coward feigning enlightenment. You belong to the cult of thoughtless hypocrisy.

No, I think beginning a conversation calling somebody names (as you did) is not very nice.

Actually I don't have a spine. You got me, I'm a centipede. Damn thought nobody knew.

 

[Rob Roy]

Didn't you just say you hated Lincoln because he thought blacks should leave America as they would never get whites to willingly associate with them? Isn't that pretty much what you beleive too?

No. I think racists are silly. I think Abe Lincoln should have grown a mustache.

I don't think people think along collective lines based on race. Good and bad people come in all colors.

 

[PCXV]

Rob Roy is stuck in a loop. In every thread he puts up his shitty arguments, gets defeated logically, he gradually gets more and more vague and cryptic, then he claims victory and disappears.

 

[PCXV]

No. I think racists are silly. I think Abe Lincoln should have grown a mustache.

I don't think people think along collective lines based on race. Good and bad people come in all colors.

You are avoiding the point again. More disingenous hypocrisy.

What exactly do you expect blacks to do when the society they live in declares open season on them and denies them all rights and services? You will say it's not up to you to determine, that you can't fathom the logical conclusion. Disingenuous coward.

 

[Rob Roy]

Huh. We’ll have to agree to disagree on both points I guess.

I’m a business owner, so I understand your point to a degree. If someone is being a belligerent asshole in my place of business, I reserve the right not to do business with that person. That’s based on the actions of that person though, not on skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Thats where the govt plays an important role imo. We agree that a person should not have to always be forced to associate with another person, but we part ways on where that is appropriately applied. I think your ideas would lead to a pretty messed up version of society. I couldn’t imagine a doctor refusing life saving treatment over the color of the patients skin. That’s taking things to an absurd level of “freedom”.

I would not go to a doctor who I knew to be a racist. I still don't know where you think I have any right to force another person to serve me though or where anyone can get that nonexistent right from.

Human relations are pretty simple. they are either voluntary or involuntary. If a person associates with you on a mutual basis, it's peaceable.
If you forcibly insist an association begin when the other person is leaving you alone, it is not peaceable, right ?

 

[Rob Roy]

Rob Roy is stuck in a loop. In every thread he puts up his shitty arguments, gets defeated logically, he gradually gets more and more vague and cryptic, then he claims victory and disappears.

I'm not quite done scratching my ass, patience please.

 

[PCXV]

No, I think beginning a conversation calling somebody names (as you did) is not very nice.

Actually I don't have a spine. You got me, I'm a centipede. Damn thought nobody knew.

Those monikers are a perfect reflection of your character. You pretend like you fight fair, you don't. Hypocrite.

 

[PCXV]

I'm not quite done scratching my ass, patience please.

I'm in no rush to hear more of your bullshit. Take all of eternity if you wish.

 

[Rob Roy]

You are avoiding the point again. More disingenous hypocrisy.

What exactly so you expect blacks to do when the society they live in declares open season on them and denies them all rights and services? You will say it's not up to you to determine, that you can't fathom the logical conclusion. Disingenuous coward.

I think a slave has every right to flee or to use defensive force against his captor. I think no slave or any person has any right to force another person to serve them though...what about you? Do you think it is okay for someone to force you to associate with them?

You seem painfully unaware of your own duplicity by the way.

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm in no rush to hear more of your bullshit. Take all of eternity if you wish.

I'm old and won't be around that long.


So, you believe some people have a right to force others to serve them ? Is that correct ?

 

[st0wandgrow]

I would not go to a doctor who I knew to be a racist. I still don't know where you think I have any right to force another person to serve me though or where anyone can get that nonexistent right from.

Human relations are pretty simple. they are either voluntary or involuntary. If a person associates with you on a mutual basis, it's peaceable.
If you forcibly insist an association begin when the other person is leaving you alone, it is not peaceable, right ?

In the scenario I provided, that doctor was the only doctor within 100 miles. He either treats the black patient, or the patient dies.

I’m just trying to figure out how far you go with your no-forced-associations society. Would you be willing to let someone die over the rights of the doctor to refuse his services for any reason? No exceptions? If so, can you not see the problems that would create, and can you not see how that would lead to the breakdown of a functioning society?

 

[Rob Roy]

you advocate for racism though.

No, IF, I had the right to tell others how to use their property or their body, I'd instruct them to behave as I would.

However I DO NOT have the right to tell others what they must do with their things, neither do you.

I do have a right to repel somebody from forcing me into a human relation I prefer not to be in though, everybody does.

You never address or refute what I said above, since you can't.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I'm old and won't be around that long.


So, you believe some people have a right to force others to serve them ? Is that correct ?

You are using the word force a bit out of context, no?

If someone pays the asking price for a product or service, agrees to any contractual obligations related to that good or service, and abides by the businesses code of conduct while in the place of business, how does “force” come in to play? It’s a consensual transaction that has nothing to do with skin color, sex, etc is it not?