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[PCXV]

it's about what works and what doesn't. noam, noam all you want. the average American holds no capital and 20% government debt. we were the envy of the world when a bunch of hicks whooped the world's superpowers ass, paid no taxes and respected the individual.

look where progressive got us.

we are just printing money, just like all those other countries you admire, except they're not burdened with policing the world. is so simple even you can understand it.

Paid no taxes? Credibility lost. And calling all those soldiers hicks is untrue.

 

[twostrokenut]

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When I say classic libertarianism, I am differentiating between actual libertarianism and the Tea Partiers.

Also, if you’d read our history books, or if you had graduated high school, you’d know that the entirety of our values as Americans and what our forefathers were drawing from was, specifically, the French philosophers of the Enlightenment Period. So not only does it fly, but you are wrong. In fact, basic statements of liberty we tend to think of as American actually came from the French Enlightenment Period. “Lfe, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness,” for instance.

Also, our founding fathers were progressive, not conservative. They were rebelling against the monarchy of their fatherland to make their own country, with their own laws and values. That clearly isn’t conservative at all, that’s progression, and thus progressive.

lame, progressivism is one of 3 major collective movements of the 20th century. our revolution was not collectivist in any way and is reflected in the emphasis on individual rights.

and the basis for our structure was magna carta.

 

[PCXV]

it's about what works and what doesn't. noam, noam all you want. the average American holds no capital and 20% government debt. we were the envy of the world when a bunch of hicks whooped the world's superpowers ass, paid no taxes and respected the individual.

look where progressive got us.

we are just printing money, just like all those other countries you admire, except they're not burdened with policing the world. is so simple even you can understand it.

Progressives got us:

The American Revolution
Abolition of Slavery
Preserved the Union that is the US
Women's right to vote
Civil rights for minorities
The New Deal (mitigating depression)
Central bank (prevent and mitigate corrections when done properly)
Environmental preservation
Public goods
Every anti-war movement since Vietnam
Social security
Medicare/medicaid (with SS enriches and saves millions of lives)
Progessive taxes for a fiscally responsible budget that allows us a thriving public sector; also increases domestic demand and GDP.
Welfare and public programs for the most needy and vulnerable
Women's rights to bodily autonomy

Need I go on?

 

[twostrokenut]

Paid no taxes? Credibility lost. And calling all those soldiers hicks is untrue.

voluntary taxes excluded. better sunshine?

and they were considered hicks to the British you bet. much as we are considered the great unwashed by our government today.

 

[PCXV]

lame, progressivism is one of 3 major collective movements of the 20th century. our revolution was not collectivist in any way and is reflected in the emphasis on individual rights.

and the basis for our structure was magna carta.

Reread the Constitution. Government is responsible for protecting the general welfare of the population.

 

[PCXV]

voluntary taxes excluded. better sunshine?

and they were considered hicks to the British you bet. much as we are considered the great unwashed by our government today.

There is no time in US history where we have had zero taxes. If you are talking about WWII, the tax rate was multiple times higher than today (though not the effective tax rate, granted).

 

[twostrokenut]

So, you had no little editorial to go with it? No little opinion or thought? Just a simple statement of fact, was it? Why? I guess it was a lame try on my part to get you to clarify your (cough) point.

seems to have folded to market pressure.

 

[twostrokenut]

Reread the Constitution. Government is responsible for protecting the general welfare of the population.

I think the word youre looking for is promote.

 

[dagwood45431]

seems to have folded to market pressure.

Possibly fake news. The reporter has clarified that he didn't actually ask Kaeppernick about standing during the anthem. We'll see. If he does fold? I wish he wouldn't but he's done a million times more good for BLM than I could ever do so he can do whatever the fuck he wants as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Fogdog]

it's about what works and what doesn't. noam, noam all you want. the average American holds no capital and 20% government debt. we were the envy of the world when a bunch of hicks whooped the world's superpowers ass, paid no taxes and respected the individual.

look where progressive got us.

we are just printing money, just like all those other countries you admire, except they're not burdened with policing the world. is so simple even you can understand it.

lol

Reality eludes you.

Market pressure. As if markets are like physical forces. Markets are made by governments, chump.

Yeah, I think I'll listen to a real student of history. Where do you get your crap? Brietbart? Zerohedge? Mises? Too funny this.

 

[PCXV]

I think the word youre looking for is promote.

That's you playing petty semantics. In practice, it translates pretty much the same.

 

[twostrokenut]

Progressives got us:

The American Revolution
Abolition of Slavery
Preserved the Union that is the US
Women's right to vote
Civil rights for minorities
The New Deal (mitigating depression)
Central bank (prevent and mitigate corrections when done properly)
Environmental preservation
Public goods
Every anti-war movement since Vietnam
Social security
Medicare/medicaid (with SS enriches and saves millions of lives)
Progessive taxes for a fiscally responsible budget that allows us a thriving public sector; also increases domestic demand and GDP.
Welfare and public programs for the most needy and vulnerable
Women's rights to bodily autonomy

Need I go on?

progressivism is a collectivist movement so let's start at the top of your list. a revolution to limit the powers of government, indeed to enumerate them is quite the opposite of collectivist given the government is of and by the people.

simply labeling things you like that get accomplished as progress doesn't make them progressive.

If we eliminate the income tax I will consider that progress, so I'm therefore progressive. nope.

promote the general welfare clause is a great example, as is the interstate commerce clause and supremacy.

a document intended to bind the government, interpreted at certain points to construe the government as unlimited.

progress. and progressive.

 

[twostrokenut]

That's you playing petty semantics. In practice, it translates pretty much the same.

in practice it simply means unlimited government.

semantics matter in these matters, as clearly that wasnt the intention.

Webster's dictionary of 1828 clearly defines welfare as: exemption from unusual evil and calamity.

like what you get from having great military defenses......hence "defense and general welfare".....followed by what, 21 enumerated powers of congress?

 

[PCXV]

progressivism is a collectivist movement so let's start at the top of your list. a revolution to limit the powers of government, indeed to enumerate them is quite the opposite of collectivist given the government is of and by the people.

simply labeling things you like that get accomplished as progress doesn't make them progressive.

If we eliminate the income tax I will consider that progress, so I'm therefore progressive. nope.

promote the general welfare clause is a great example, as is the interstate commerce clause and supremacy.

a document intended to bind the government, interpreted at certain points to construe the government as unlimited.

progress. and progressive.

They collectivised the 13 colonies to create a national army. Democracy is a collective. To give the government any power is collectivist. Still collectivist, still progressive.

You operate under the false assumption that collectivism is always wrong. It is you that is mislabeling anything you don't like as progressive and collectivist.

 

[PCXV]

in practice it simply means unlimited government.

semantics matter in these matters, as clearly that wasnt the intention.

Webster's dictionary of 1828 clearly defines welfare as: exemption from unusual evil and calamity.

like what you get from having great military defenses......hence "defense and general welfare".....followed by what, 21 enumerated powers of congress?

Unusual evil and calamity. Also like a Great Depression and a two-tiered economy of haves and have nots.

Explain the unlimimited government part. I'm not following what you are saying.

 

[twostrokenut]

There is no time in US history where we have had zero taxes. If you are talking about WWII, the tax rate was multiple times higher than today (though not the effective tax rate, granted).

tax receipts were the same, no matter what the rate was.

 

[PCXV]

tax receipts were the same, no matter what the rate was.

What does that have to do with your claim that at some point the US government had no tax system? Disingenuous.

 

[twostrokenut]

Markets are made by governments, chump.

lol



artificial markets.

 

[twostrokenut]

What does that have to do with your claim that at some point the US government had no tax system? Disingenuous.

I said without tax referencing the income tax, and conceded voluntary taxes were always a given. duties, imports ect.

would you like me to be disingenuous? I could try.

Nazi Nazi pedo Hitler antisemitic mysoginy racism and shit.....there that should comfort most in the room.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Maybe you could point to some sources about the founding of libertarianism in the 1700s.

Here you go. Even referencing John Locke and the Whigs. Specifically being called Libertarianism in the 1700s, going back to Lao Tzu.