Looking for help with my cloning

[natureboygrower]

The article showed how to build the cloner with the manifold for the water pump with sprayers. The problem is that it's the manifold and water pump that get the sms infection.

i'll have to look that article up.would a routine cleaning with bleach or hydrogen peroxide take care of the sms?

 

[Philip-O]

The article showed how to build the cloner with the manifold for the water pump with sprayers. The problem is that it's the manifold and water pump that get the sms infection.

I could not find the HT article. Would you mind sharing a link? (I did try to google it, no luck)

 

[SchmoeJoe]

I could not find the HT article. Would you mind sharing a link? (I did try to google it, no luck)

It was a few years ago. I can try to find it.

 

[Philip-O]

It was a few years ago. I can try to find it.

If you can, I think several of us could use it. If not, we´ll surely come back to you with questions

 

[natureboygrower]

i used to brew compost tea weekly for my outdoor.cleaned my brewer with h20 and peroxide after every run.never had a problem.

 

[Sanitas Vibrationum]

Another thing about rockwool is that it isn't sustainable. Some claim it is but there's just no way that the rock it's made from forms at the same rate or faster than we're using it.

The Down To Earth plugs are the same type of plug as the Rapid Rooters and Root Riot plugs. They're all made using materials from trees. Even the binding agent is a natural and renewable forest product. I don't know what the difference in their manufacturing process is but the Rapid Rooters and Root Riot plugs are both bricks compared to the porosity of the DTE plugs. I've never got the same succes rate or the rate of root development or health and quality of roots from anything else.

earth worms do great job at taking care of that. There is no trace of the rockwool in my compost bin after about 6 month. I have red wrigglers , but I'm sure any earth worms will do the job just as fine. Everything can be broken down very fast if using appropriate creatures, fungi, bacteria.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

earth worms do great job at taking care of that. There is no trace of the rockwool in my compost bin after about 6 month. I have red wrigglers , but I'm sure any earth worms will do the job just as fine. Everything can be broken down very fast if using appropriate fungi, bacteria.

Being sustainable and biodegradable are completely different things.

 

[Sanitas Vibrationum]

Being sustainable and biodegradable are completely different things.

if you grow in soil - it's sustainable. I use that compost to mix in my soil, only root in rock wool. Worm castings sure sounds sustainable to me

If you are not recycling your medium - you are not sustainable... but may be I misunderstood definition of sustainability, probably due to a slight intoxication

 

[SchmoeJoe]

If you can, I think several of us could use it. If not, we´ll surely come back to you with questions

I'm sure there are plenty of threads about regular diy cloners. The difference I'm suggesting is to use more air stones in a shallower container without the water pump. That's pretty much all there is to it.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

if you grow in soil - it's sustainable. I use compost to mix in my soil, only root in rock wool.

I don't think you understand what "sustainable" means. There is no way that it is replenished in nature at at least the rate we use it at. It's a rock. It's formed over a geological time period and mined in days or weeks.

There are a number of other nonsustsainable organic amendments. A couple of top examples are greensand and fossilized bat guano. Just because you're growing in soil doesn't mean you're using products that are 100% sustainable.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

i used to brew compost tea weekly for my outdoor.cleaned my brewer with h20 and peroxide after every run.never had a problem.

Take a look at what Turbo Cloner says about SMS/Sick Manifold Syndrome. I ran a gallon of 32% h2o2 in a five gallon clones and still couldn't get rid of the infection. The general consensus around here, including industry professionals with degrees in biology and horticulture, is that the infection is inevitable and untreatable.

I've ran the same 55 gallon drums and 5 gallon buckets for different batches of teas for years without issue as well. It's not the same thing and has no bearing on it.

 

[natureboygrower]

Take a look at what Turbo Cloner says about SMS/Sick Manifold Syndrome. I ran a gallon of 32% h2o2 in a five gallon clones and still couldn't get rid of the infection. The general consensus around here, including industry professionals with degrees in biology and horticulture, is that the infection is inevitable and untreatable.

I've ran the same 55 gallon drums and 5 gallon buckets for different batches of teas for years without issue as well. It's not the same thing and has no bearing on it.

gotcha.i read up on sms and it seems cleaning with bleach on a routine basis will head off any problems.hey,im all for KISS,if i can avoid any extra steps,i will. i may try the bubble stone model.those stones are porous,i imagine you want to keep those clean as well.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

gotcha.i read up on sms and it seems cleaning with bleach on a routine basis will head off any problems.hey,im all for KISS,if i can avoid any extra steps,i will. i may try the bubble stone model.those stones are porous,i imagine you want to keep those clean as well.

Both systems run air stones. The infection always starts in the manifold. I've never had a problem with running just the air stones with a preventative dose of h2o2. But than, I get better results with the aforementioned rooting plugs.