When to flush

[chemphlegm]

lol ive done side by sides man ? so just by chance thats how it came out when i flushed one and not another? you guys win haha im just a crazy.. it was clones too so i must be really high or something cant get much of a closer test than that but hey who am i to judge im happy to each their own cheers guys!

I smirk when I keep in mind that "flushing" generally understood as water only
incidentally means no more nutrients added to my already nutrient saturated substrate.


If I feed my hydro(against instructions, using more than the company wants me too) full strength to the end NO amount of drying or curing will fix this golf course syndrome(bag o lawn fert taste/smell).
While correct feeding will require less fermentation to make product usable as there are less unburned carbs in the plant material to be digested/fermented away before a pleasurable smoke can be had.

some people wont smoke their herb until they bury it fresh in the dirt and mold it up black.
they swear its the best way, been doing it for centuries even. no other way proves to be better for them.

different tokes for different folks. do what works best for you and yours.

 

[Chunky Stool]

some people wont smoke their herb until they bury it fresh in the dirt and mold it up black.
they swear its the best way, been doing it for centuries even. no other way proves to be better for them.

That's odd.
Is it like kimchi?

 

[chemphlegm]

That's odd.
Is it like kimchi?

very odd, and no idea. sounds like voodoo to me

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

look up "malawi cobs", some areas just use banana leaves or corn leaves, then cure in those, but in some places they will then bury the "cobs" to cure them, when they dig them up they've been naturally decarbed and you can eat them and get fucked up

 

[andy s]

I smirk when I keep in mind that "flushing" generally understood as water only
incidentally means no more nutrients added to my already nutrient saturated substrate.


If I feed my hydro(against instructions, using more than the company wants me too) full strength to the end NO amount of drying or curing will fix this golf course syndrome(bag o lawn fert taste/smell).
While correct feeding will require less fermentation to make product usable as there are less unburned carbs in the plant material to be digested/fermented away before a pleasurable smoke can be had.

some people wont smoke their herb until they bury it fresh in the dirt and mold it up black.
they swear its the best way, been doing it for centuries even. no other way proves to be better for them.

different tokes for different folks. do what works best for you and yours.

just by stating that, do you know how to properly flush a plant ? its not just giving clean water, you literally wash the soil of all the shit you added throughout the grow by adding 5 times the amount of the pot each time you water and in return you draw all chemicals out of your soil, salts ect, while youre soil is being washed through the flush period your plant is burnin up the nutes already in the plant, in the end the ppms are so low its ridiculous and the pant will fade and color more naturally. you can assume all you want about my grows but i dont feed for the first month and during flower i feed once a week max now days compared to only giving vlean water every third watering like i used to which even then i did the same thing and flushed my plants, i dont taste chemicals in my plants when i dont its just better smoke when i do another reasons ive stated prior to this post.
for those who talk about soil outside and soil indoors in a damn pot its completely different, farmers dont flush their crops bc for one they cant lol, second, they rotate crops for a reason and thats one of them, more farmers use less and less on their plants and lean towards organics anyways, and guess what, when youre in a controlled environment with a controlled medium why tf not im prove it the best way you can, youre not running an organic no till in your house so dont try and compare it to outside in the ground.

 

[chemphlegm]

just by stating that, do you know how to properly flush a plant ? its not just giving clean water, you literally wash the soil of all the shit you added throughout the grow by adding 5 times the amount of the pot each time you water and in return you draw all chemicals out of your soil, salts ect, while youre soil is being washed through the flush period your plant is burnin up the nutes already in the plant, in the end the ppms are so low its ridiculous and the pant will fade and color more naturally. you can assume all you want about my grows but i dont feed for the first month and during flower i feed once a week max now days compared to only giving vlean water every third watering like i used to which even then i did the same thing and flushed my plants, i dont taste chemicals in my plants when i dont its just better smoke when i do another reasons ive stated prior to this post.
for those who talk about soil outside and soil indoors in a damn pot its completely different, farmers dont flush their crops bc for one they cant lol, second, they rotate crops for a reason and thats one of them, more farmers use less and less on their plants and lean towards organics anyways, and guess what, when youre in a controlled environment with a controlled medium why tf not im prove it the best way you can, youre not running an organic no till in your house so dont try and compare it to outside in the ground.

wtf are you talking about? was this meant for me? I could give two shits if someone drowns their plants, kills their needed microbes and deprives their plants of oxygen right at the end when the plant needs it more than ever.

I use pro mix, and organic composted chicken shit and water. it doesnt get no more "no till" than that. who mentioned farmers anyways?

I dont have chemicals in my soil, I have composting organic amendments aye, like peat moss and chicken shit. I find it foolish to deprive it of those necessary resources by drowning it just because I cant figure out how to feed without using salts, molasses, etc.
I dont need to flush any of that from my soil obviously, because my plants are the best We've ever had from anywhere anyone.
my plants use up their nutrients as they need them. you see, I provide an environment that is near perfect above and below the plant. After that the plant knows exactly what to do without my illogical myth following ass.

Once you figure out how to feed correctly you'll see the futility in your ways

did you read what @ Dr. Who wrote about the myth you speak of?

 

[Dr. Who]

some have said I'm flushing too. . . .in hydro Its a different story aye?

Sounds like Bro science to me..I mean your not doing X times the pot size in watering, right?....Not so for the hydro.....No nutes is bad practice...Not a fade, starvation!...poor little starving things. Not building properly and not nearing those potentials...eh?

 

[Dr. Who]

look up "malawi cobs", some areas just use banana leaves or corn leaves, then cure in those, but in some places they will then bury the "cobs" to cure them, when they dig them up they've been naturally decarbed and you can eat them and get fucked up

 

[chemphlegm]

1)Sounds like Bro science to me..I mean your not doing X times the pot size in watering, right?
2)....Not so for the hydro.....No nutes is bad practice...Not a fade, starvation!...poor little starving things
3). Not building properly and not nearing those potentials...eh?

1)I never drown my plants with anymore than a few drops of run off, so nope, not me
2) followed bottles with great success, they all show less ppm's in final weeks, worked awesome, no flush again
3) me? no complaints here ever. if I found better technique for me I'd surely be using it.

 

[Dr. Who]

just by stating that, do you know how to properly flush a plant ? its not just giving clean water, you literally wash the soil of all the shit you added throughout the grow by adding 5 times the amount of the pot each time you water and in return you draw all chemicals out of your soil, salts ect, while youre soil is being washed through the flush period your plant is burnin up the nutes already in the plant, in the end the ppms are so low its ridiculous and the pant will fade and color more naturally. you can assume all you want about my grows but i dont feed for the first month and during flower i feed once a week max now days compared to only giving vlean water every third watering like i used to which even then i did the same thing and flushed my plants, i dont taste chemicals in my plants when i dont its just better smoke when i do another reasons ive stated prior to this post.
for those who talk about soil outside and soil indoors in a damn pot its completely different, farmers dont flush their crops bc for one they cant lol, second, they rotate crops for a reason and thats one of them, more farmers use less and less on their plants and lean towards organics anyways, and guess what, when youre in a controlled environment with a controlled medium why tf not im prove it the best way you can, youre not running an organic no till in your house so dont try and compare it to outside in the ground.

All this does is force the plant to ripen faster. Your losing bulk and actual potency by reducing the natural maturing process of the plant.
Your still not reducing any nutrient content in the plant to actually effect taste and burn!
Unless of course your smoking the roots and the crispy yellow leaves...

Lastly, As a farmer. You have no clue to what your actually saying about farming and crop rotation....

Please, go ahead and do what makes you happy. BUT, please don't come in here and argue myth and bro science logic, influencing the uneducated newbie/novice grower with your ...

Ignorance to fact is a choice. It's also lack of education and the same type of ignorance as superstition belief. I know a guy who still say's. "I'm not descended from no ape." Exact quote. (In reality, he rather looks like one.)

BTW, In synthetic use, I feed everyday. A metered amount that carries the plant from lights on, to lights on the next day. I get more o2 to the roots and that's a very good thing... I do not "final flush" and take great care in the environmental conditions when drying and especially during the cure. I cure for a minimum of 6 weeks, after an average 2 week drying period.

But, again. Do what makes you happy....

 

[andy s]

wtf are you talking about? was this meant for me? I could give two shits if someone drowns their plants, kills their needed microbes and deprives their plants of oxygen right at the end when the plant needs it more than ever.

I use pro mix, and organic composted chicken shit and water. it doesnt get no more "no till" than that. who mentioned farmers anyways?

I dont have chemicals in my soil, I have composting organic amendments aye, like peat moss and chicken shit. I find it foolish to deprive it of those necessary resources by drowning it just because I cant figure out how to feed without using salts, molasses, etc.
I dont need to flush any of that from my soil obviously, because my plants are the best We've ever had from anywhere anyone.
my plants use up their nutrients as they need them. you see, I provide an environment that is near perfect above and below the plant. After that the plant knows exactly what to do without my illogical myth following ass.

Once you figure out how to feed correctly you'll see the futility in your ways

did you read what @ Dr. Who wrote about the myth you speak of?

i dont feed for the first month i let the soil do the wor, since im in 3gallon pots i have to feed eventually and when i do its usually a month in and right before flip through the first 5 weeks of flower, when i do start feeding i feed once per week, tht is in no way over feeding my plants. my soil has plenty of oxygen even when completely saturated. i to use promix, as well as ffof, peat, and perlite. everyone was comparing this to how farmers do it, how they dont flush, so they think tere isnt a need to. when you use chemicals i my opinion you should flush the last week, your buds still swell, you dont lose potency in a week, its making the plant use everything in a last ditch effort to flower and end its cycle. ive done my side by sides in soil exact same clones ect flushed and not flushed and there is a difference regardless of who calls it a myth those are the people who probably havent done side by sides and actually tried it. it doesnt make your flavor any better per say but burn quality or smoke-ability is better, its not as harsh, youre taking out whats not needed and wouldnt be there in nature. people can blame curing but thats not the case for me. at least a month cure 10 -14 days drying then it goes in the jars for 30 days getting burped and kept right. there is a difference.

 

[chemphlegm]

i dont feed for the first month i let the soil do the wor, since im in 3gallon pots i have to feed eventually and when i do its usually a month in and right before flip through the first 5 weeks of flower, when i do start feeding i feed once per week, tht is in no way over feeding my plants. my soil has plenty of oxygen even when completely saturated. i to use promix, as well as ffof, peat, and perlite. everyone was comparing this to how farmers do it, how they dont flush, so they think tere isnt a need to. when you use chemicals i my opinion you should flush the last week, your buds still swell, you dont lose potency in a week, its making the plant use everything in a last ditch effort to flower and end its cycle. ive done my side by sides in soil exact same clones ect flushed and not flushed and there is a difference regardless of who calls it a myth those are the people who probably havent done side by sides and actually tried it. it doesnt make your flavor any better per say but burn quality or smoke-ability is better, its not as harsh, youre taking out whats not needed and wouldnt be there in nature. people can blame curing but thats not the case for me. at least a month cure 10 -14 days drying then it goes in the jars for 30 days getting burped and kept right. there is a difference.

right, but consider this. I feed with only organic chicken shit, thats it, promix and water.
I feed to the end to but it doesnt take 45 days for my weed to ferment in jars before they burn correctly, taste awesome too.
I suspect salt ferts overfed will impart flavors and such that require fermentation to make it right for smoke.
I've used salt ferts extensively too and found when I followed the directions, which always called for a reduction of ppm's as the plant finishes, not reduced to plain water and had the same awesome results without the month of fermenting to make it smooth.
I dont claim to know why, or even care too much, but following the directions on my hydro bottles always worked out perfectly for me in my room. If controls are weak plants will not metabolize correctly and do leave unburned carbs in plant material this way too. led lights, floro's..I found this to be true using my refractometer to monitor plant metabolism. When you use one of these you wont need to ferment because you'll see best time to harvest..... when plant material isnt chocked full of sugars and carbs to avoid these month long fermentation techniques.
dont try my way though, it likely wont perform well for you in your space. do what works best for your space like we all do. all rooms and habits are different, makes sense results would be too.

 

[macsnax]

right, but consider this. I feed with only organic chicken shit, thats it, promix and water.
I feed to the end to but it doesnt take 45 days for my weed to ferment in jars before they burn correctly, taste awesome too.
I suspect salt ferts overfed will impart flavors and such that require fermentation to make it right for smoke.
I've used salt ferts extensively too and found when I followed the directions, which always called for a reduction of ppm's as the plant finishes, not reduced to plain water and had the same awesome results without the month of fermenting to make it smooth.
I dont claim to know why, or even care too much, but following the directions on my hydro bottles always worked out perfectly for me in my room. If controls are weak plants will not metabolize correctly and do leave unburned carbs in plant material this way too. led lights, floro's..I found this to be true using my refractometer to monitor plant metabolism. When you use one of these you wont need to ferment because you'll see best time to harvest..... when plant material isnt chocked full of sugars and carbs to avoid these month long fermentation techniques.
dont try my way though, it likely wont perform well for you in your space. do what works best for your space like we all do. all rooms and habits are different, makes sense results would be too.

Now I'm thinking there's something behind leaving plants in the dark for a day or two before harvest. Carbs go back to the roots, less to ferment. Quicker cure times, same product?

 

[chemphlegm]

Now I'm thinking there's something behind leaving plants in the dark for a day or two before harvest. Carbs go back to the roots, less to ferment. Quicker cure times, same product?

I think this may be factual, but makes more sense to feed correctly, then monitor plant metabolism with a 20 dollar tool
. There so much to learn using the refractometer its silly that its not considered an essential tool of our trade. From veg to flower to harvest....leaves 100% of the guesswork to the newbies. My numbers and results dont lie. Its easy to use, doesnt even require an understanding, just an ability to compare real numbers, sugar content-throughout plant life with respect to feeding habits- to end results.

assuming all growing controls are in order...Did you know a high brix (at harvest day bud will smoke poorly, burn like shit, be black too if smoked when snappy. But a bud lower in brix at harvest will burn smoothly, taste great, white ash the day the twigs snap. just say hmmm, wtf? and it all makes sense.
feed to the end for more cabbage weight....you'll need to ferment those unused feedings out of the dried cabbage before its cool to use. control this input and you will not. its simple to watch the brix decrease as the bud is fermented in jars/sealed up, right down to the point of being perfect for smoking. Its easy to feed correctly uring life cycle when you can accurately monitor the plants ability to uptake and process these nutrients quickly.
Once you find the sweet spots in a controlled room simply repeat for repeating results. key-High brix is bad ass for life cycle health but not so much at cannabis harvest, unless of course you plan on eating the cabbage, maybe sweeter.... apples/grapes, fruits are best at their highest brix harvest for the sweet taste.... unless of course you plan on smoking them dried after harvest maybe.....

 

[GodfatherKCCO]

I like to cook, so I get what I want to eat!!!....The wife has her career. She comes home at 6:30 and that plays right into my desire to cook. She bakes like a pro though. I do the pies and she does everything else.

That's awesome. Sorry for the delay I've had a busy week

 

[macsnax]

I think this may be factual, but makes more sense to feed correctly, then monitor plant metabolism with a 20 dollar tool
. There so much to learn using the refractometer its silly that its not considered an essential tool of our trade. From veg to flower to harvest....leaves 100% of the guesswork to the newbies. My numbers and results dont lie. Its easy to use, doesnt even require an understanding, just an ability to compare real numbers, sugar content-throughout plant life with respect to feeding habits- to end results.

assuming all growing controls are in order...Did you know a high brix (at harvest day bud will smoke poorly, burn like shit, be black too if smoked when snappy. But a bud lower in brix at harvest will burn smoothly, taste great, white ash the day the twigs snap. just say hmmm, wtf? and it all makes sense.
feed to the end for more cabbage weight....you'll need to ferment those unused feedings out of the dried cabbage before its cool to use. control this input and you will not. its simple to watch the brix decrease as the bud is fermented in jars/sealed up, right down to the point of being perfect for smoking. Its easy to feed correctly uring life cycle when you can accurately monitor the plants ability to uptake and process these nutrients quickly.
Once you find the sweet spots in a controlled room simply repeat for repeating results. key-High brix is bad ass for life cycle health but not so much at cannabis harvest, unless of course you plan on eating the cabbage, maybe sweeter.... apples/grapes, fruits are best at their highest brix harvest for the sweet taste.... unless of course you plan on smoking them dried after harvest maybe.....

I just put a refractometer in my cart on amazon. I don't think there's anything to be lost here for the money.

 

[GodfatherKCCO]

In a way you're right..... Been getting more and more tired of the def, dumb and blind. Then you have the chip on the shoulders folk....It goes on and on....
Attempting to put the Flushing genie back in the bottle is like trying to do that with toothpaste...

Obviously I'm not an expert like a lot of people here but I'm a research junkie and I talk to a LOT of people on and offline about the right way to grow (yes including mama). I'm also a self taught structural engineer where utilizing logic and common sense are key. To me the argument is very easy to see what's 'right' and what's 'wrong'.

I look at it this way. If I, for whatever reasons, don't eat for a day or two (and that happens more often than I care to admit), I get shaky, weak, and start losing my ability to focus until I force myself to eat. Now I'm a living organism and if not feeding does that to me I can only imagine what it would do to another organism. Shock to the system is never a good thing because the body starts shutting down non essential areas in order to survive.

In short after doing EXTENSIVE research and even talking to legal growers that work in the industry I've come to the conclusion based on my readings, conversations, and talking to mama who said 'Well now that's just silly. Why would I do that to my plants', and applying my own logic and reason the only conclusion I can come to is that flushing unless you just took a massive shit or want to clean out your system to prepare for the next round is a waste of time, effort, and conversation.

By the way Dr. Who. Thanks for all of your counsel, mentorship, and logic. It's been invaluable to me and I hope I can continue to come to you for advice when I get started back up my friend. Next month hopefully.

 

[andy s]

right, but consider this. I feed with only organic chicken shit, thats it, promix and water.
I feed to the end to but it doesnt take 45 days for my weed to ferment in jars before they burn correctly, taste awesome too.
I suspect salt ferts overfed will impart flavors and such that require fermentation to make it right for smoke.
I've used salt ferts extensively too and found when I followed the directions, which always called for a reduction of ppm's as the plant finishes, not reduced to plain water and had the same awesome results without the month of fermenting to make it smooth.
I dont claim to know why, or even care too much, but following the directions on my hydro bottles always worked out perfectly for me in my room. If controls are weak plants will not metabolize correctly and do leave unburned carbs in plant material this way too. led lights, floro's..I found this to be true using my refractometer to monitor plant metabolism. When you use one of these you wont need to ferment because you'll see best time to harvest..... when plant material isnt chocked full of sugars and carbs to avoid these month long fermentation techniques.
dont try my way though, it likely wont perform well for you in your space. do what works best for your space like we all do. all rooms and habits are different, makes sense results would be too.

well put man cant argue that

 

[Dr. Who]

Obviously I'm not an expert like a lot of people here but I'm a research junkie and I talk to a LOT of people on and offline about the right way to grow (yes including mama). I'm also a self taught structural engineer where utilizing logic and common sense are key. To me the argument is very easy to see what's 'right' and what's 'wrong'.

I look at it this way. If I, for whatever reasons, don't eat for a day or two (and that happens more often than I care to admit), I get shaky, weak, and start losing my ability to focus until I force myself to eat. Now I'm a living organism and if not feeding does that to me I can only imagine what it would do to another organism. Shock to the system is never a good thing because the body starts shutting down non essential areas in order to survive.

In short after doing EXTENSIVE research and even talking to legal growers that work in the industry I've come to the conclusion based on my readings, conversations, and talking to mama who said 'Well now that's just silly. Why would I do that to my plants', and applying my own logic and reason the only conclusion I can come to is that flushing unless you just took a massive shit or want to clean out your system to prepare for the next round is a waste of time, effort, and conversation.

By the way Dr. Who. Thanks for all of your counsel, mentorship, and logic. It's been invaluable to me and I hope I can continue to come to you for advice when I get started back up my friend. Next month hopefully.

Your welcome. Rock on...

 

[auto1dwc]

Ok Mr. forum policeman. I wasn't the one who started the pissing match. Besides, it's just another stupid flushing thread, nothing to learn here.

Go away if it's stupid