Buds quality LEDs VS HPS

[MichiganMedGrower]

Post them up then. Been asking for weeks for people to post side by sides. Post aways my friend.

I didn’t save the 4 years of researching to my phones. And I just cleared this one out to get a new one. I am only putting any real trust in university style testing anyway. Too many variables in side by sides to be sure of anything.

If you want them posted so bad take the time to search them out. I am sure not going to help glorify a simple light.

The science of all this is proven already. And you have proven beyond doubt that your lights can grow great pot. And similar results for less wattage.

Add uvb and far red and you will show a marked improvement I’m sure. Hell Ed Rosenthal proved it in the 80’s.

Just read his old book. He tells what light causes everything in pot.

 

[ttystikk]

I only am repeating your words. Too bad you make them up as you go.

You should be in the Olympics for the long jump.

 

[hillbill]

Tags or someone did a reasonable side by side years ago, learned a lot. Maybe not perfect but very helpful. And efficiency and spectrums have gotten much better still.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

You should be in the Olympics for the long jump.

I’m too short. You’re the tall geeky looking one here.

 

[ttystikk]

What do you think HID is then?

A heater that makes some light too?

 

[Greengenes707]

I didn’t save the 4 years of researching to my phones. And I just cleared this one out to get a new one. I am only putting any real trust in university style testing anyway. Too many variables in side by sides to be sure of anything.

If you want them posted so bad take the time to search them out. I am sure not going to help glorify a simple light.

The science of all this is proven already. And you have proven beyond doubt that your lights can grow great pot. And similar results for less wattage.

Add uvb and far red and you will show a marked improvement I’m sure. Hell Ed Rosenthal proved it in the 80’s.

Just read his old book. He tells what light causes everything in pot.

You said they are all over the net. They are not, and I asked you to post...then you backpedal like no other just now.
Stick to what is fact ad what is actually presentable/provable. Even if just one scatted variable, it's still a data point. Data points that we actually have very little of. You and a few others in here have said there are so many...but yet there are none posted.

If you say they are all over the net...then it shouldn't be anything for you to simple post one, or even a half ass trail to them.

So no need to get defensive when I simple asked for what you flexed with and didn't present. Just the basics of proving a point and the scientific method.

As for studies...ya bro, but you have to use AND cite them in your argument/presentation...not just a link with no citation. Use them in your hypotheses and explanations.

 

[Humple]

I hadn’t thought about diy multicolored diode lamps. That is a complex diy.

And any production Greenhouse or indoor set up today would know exactly the spectrum their plants are getting and why.

They supplement the sun or control plant growth with light science.

And I have never seen cobs in any of them. Some are using lumigrow and some other multi diode led’s

Most use de hps and cmh still.

Strips of monos seem a very feasible thing to me. As for COBs in greenhouses - to what sort of greenhouses are you referring? I've seen pics of some commercial Cannabis grow-ops using COBs (I won't claim to have seen this in person though). But even if no commercial grow in the world used COBs, that still would not negate or diminish their value to the types of growers you find here. They work. They work damn well. And for many, they work significantly better than HID. That is all that matters at this time.

 

[Chunky Stool]

This is a dead horse, let's stop beating it with the whip of opinions.

Beating a dead horse is the purpose of this thread!

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

You said they are all over the net. They are not, and I asked you to post...then you backpedal like no other just now.
Stick to what is fact ad what is actually presentable/provable. Even if just one scatted variable, it's still a data point. Data points that we actually have very little of. You and a few others in here have said there are so many...but yet there are none posted.

If you say they are all over the net...then it shouldn't be anything for you to simple post one, or even a half ass trail to them.

So no need to get defensive when I simple asked for what you flexed with and didn't present. Just the basics of proving a point and the scientific method.

As for studies...ya bro, but you have to use AND cite them in your argument/presentation...not just a link with no citation. Use them in your hypotheses and explanations.

Yeah we went over your agendas in your thread already.

I did post the cmh/hps/Led side by side from John berfalo

He had his own gas chromatograph.


Still too many variables to be conclusive.

And you are the one trying to prove something. So you show some repeated conclusive proof.

You are not going to find professional horticultural testing using diy cobs. Lol.

Open room side by sides like yours show very little proof of anything.

Are you still selling these lights?

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Beating a dead horse is the purpose of this thread!

It’s the purpose of this site. And all the others.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Strips of monos seem a very feasible thing to me. As for COBs in greenhouses - to what sort of greenhouses are you referring? I've seen pics of some commercial Cannabis grow-ops using COBs (I won't claim to have seen this in person though). But even if no commercial grow in the world used COBs, that still would not negate or diminish their value to the types of growers you find here. They work. They work damn well. And for many, they work significantly better than HID. That is all that matters at this time.

I meant other than cannabis. Many of the big cannabis grows are just noobs with money.

And your argument for cobs is getting less compelling now.

Any led grower want to tell me if I buy now there won’t be better lamps soon?

 

[Chunky Stool]

I totally understand why HID is your best choice right now. Anyone who's using the waste-heat from their grow to supplement their home heating would be well-served to remain with HID. I've said it before.

However, I am a bit perplexed by your "old tech" argument. After all, HPS is old tech.

Edit: If we were to use more realistic figures for this comparison, that 8 year ROI estimate would be reduced even further. So I in no way consider HID a clear winner on the cost-front.

Obviously you aren't talking about used gear. There's a lot of quality equipment on craigslist -- dirt cheap.
You can literally buy a 600w digital ballast, reflector, and a brand new bulb (not craigslist) for about $100. This is a great option for noobs because they will probably fuck up their first couple of grows anyway.

 

[jonsnow399]

I meant other than cannabis. Many of the big cannabis grows are just noobs with money.

And your argument for cobs is getting less compelling now.

Any led grower want to tell me if I buy now there won’t be better lamps soon?

yep, there won't be any significantly better lamps in a good while.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

yep, there won't be any significantly better lamps in a good while.

There’s been like 5 generations of just cobs in the last 2 years.

And big company leds include uv and far red now.

Even Hortilux is introducing one.

Cmon’ now.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Before I totally switched to high end white COBs and LEDs each minute was costing me more each day every day. Every week and every month. Now I just use the extra $ for seeds or crankbaits or something.

Wally Diver
Color = Sparkle Fire Tiger

Catches *almost* everything that swims in freshwater. Troll ridges on hot days and you'll slay smallmouth bass!

 

[Humple]

I meant other than cannabis. Many of the big cannabis grows are just noobs with money.

And your argument for cobs is getting less compelling now.

Any led grower want to tell me if I buy now there won’t be better lamps soon?

I figured you probably meant that, but I wanted to clarify. And yes, I can believe that a lot of the cannabis ops are noob-run.

I don't have an argument for COBs. I have an argument for white-light, full-spectrum LED, whether COB, QB, or strip. And to my mind it's as compelling as it's ever been. Less wattage, same yield. Same wattage, more yield. And the quality is on-point. I don't give a shit if this is what the lights were intended for, just as I don't give a shit that HPS used to be street lighting. Will the day come when we can get even better results from more advanced lighting? Of course. But for the third time, this in no way diminishes the value of the options currently on the market.

Whenever you buy, no matter how long you wait, there will always be better lamps "soon". That's just the way progress in technology works. I stopped playing the tech waiting game years ago, and I've never regretted that. Whether it be TVs, PCs, phones, lights, or anything else, I buy when I feel that it will benefit me.

 

[Greengenes707]

Yeah we went over your agendas in your thread already.

I did post the cmh/hps/Led side by side from John berfalo

He had his own gas chromatograph.


Still too many variables to be conclusive.

And you are the one trying to prove something. So you show some repeated conclusive proof.

You are not going to find professional horticultural testing using diy cobs. Lol.

Open room side by sides like yours show very little proof of anything.

Are you still selling these lights?

And there you go deflecting. Why do you focus on me? I have not asserted ulimate anything with my test. All I have done is present them for what they are. You seem to have issues with that as we have past them already and said what they were.
And now you say there are plenty all over the net...but don't and won't post any.
So how about you get off trying to use me as a deflection and actually support and present your statement.
If you didn't have any or can't find them...why would you make a statement that they are everywhere??

 

[Buba Blend]

@Chunky Stool i posted this flower in club 315 but I want you to see. This is a black Widow x Blue Lemon Thai. I have experience with these seeds and the 5 phenos I have seen.

The bud in my avatar is one from a few years ago.

I thought the cmh grew frostier buds but now I am not as sure. I don’t have my cmh pic in my phone anymore but have posted it here before.

The lighting is obviously not the most influential factor.

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I have to say, I have only been jealous of the work done by DT until now, but you my man have made the list with that crystal.
As soon as some led grows make me jealous like yours and DT's, I will know for me personally it is time to make the switch.
Thank you all for helping me on my journey.
Happy Growing!

 

[jonsnow399]

There’s been like 5 generations of just cobs in the last 2 years.

And big company leds include uv and far red now.

Even Hortilux is introducing one.

Cmon’ now.

Key word: significant

 

[ttystikk]

I meant other than cannabis. Many of the big cannabis grows are just noobs with money.

And your argument for cobs is getting less compelling now.

Any led grower want to tell me if I buy now there won’t be better lamps soon?

https://www.freightfarms.com/home#why-freight-farms

You have way too much attitude and that jumping to conclusions thing you do lands you in one pile of bullshit after another.