The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee opposes progressives

[Padawanbater2]

partial support for some of the harder drugs, oppose all the rest

That's a little ambiguous, so to be clear, do you:

A. hold partial support for some of the harder drugs, but oppose all the rest [of the drugs]? Meaning you support "some of" (what does that mean?) the harder drugs, but oppose all the rest [of the harder drugs] since you didn't clarify a degree of "hard drugs"?

or

B. hold partial support for some of the harder drugs, oppose all the rest [of the questions, 2-7]?

Support for the drug war - Oppose the drug war
Opposition towards universal heatlhcare - Support universal healthcare
Support for predatory payday loans - Oppose predatory payday loans

etc.

 

[ttystikk]

I think we can safely reduce miliary and black budget spending by a full 2/3 and end up with a SAFER world than the one we have now.

 

[UncleBuck]

That's a little ambiguous, so to be clear, do you:

A. hold partial support for some of the harder drugs, but oppose all the rest [of the drugs]? Meaning you support "some of" (what does that mean?) the harder drugs, but oppose all the rest [of the harder drugs] since you didn't clarify a degree of "hard drugs"?

or

B. hold partial support for some of the harder drugs, oppose all the rest [of the questions, 2-7]?

Support for the drug war - Oppose the drug war
Opposition towards universal heatlhcare - Support universal healthcare
Support for predatory payday loans - Oppose predatory payday loans

etc.

B

partial support for some of the harder drugs. some of them should be criminalized. but there should also be better rehab and support programs at the same time. some of the lesser drugs should be regulated like is happening with pot. safe, legal, and monitorable.

i oppose opposition to universal healthcare, oppose support for predatory loan sharks, etc.

 

[Padawanbater2]

B

partial support for some of the harder drugs. some of them should be criminalized. but there should also be better rehab and support programs at the same time. some of the lesser drugs should be regulated like is happening with pot. safe, legal, and monitorable.

i oppose opposition to universal healthcare, oppose support for predatory loan sharks, etc.

None of that is moderate. The only thing that's slightly moderate is your position on hard drugs. So I'm still unclear on why you consider yourself to be a 'moderate' Democrat?

 

[Fogdog]

None of that is moderate. The only thing that's slightly moderate is your position on hard drugs. So I'm still unclear on why you consider yourself to be a 'moderate' Democrat?

When are you going to start that third party already?

If Democrats are so bad and if you are right about an untapped majority thirsting for progressive liberal policies, why, I should think it would be a walk in the park to get Bernie elected prez and you chosen for whatever post you like.

Based upon voting behavior in recent elections, your theory is wrong. For example, support for Bernie's healthcare bill isn't going to win elections based upon voting behavior. This is not the first theory you blab on about ceaselessly that is wrong based upon facts, such as how people actually cast their vote.

So, start that third party and prove us wrong.

 

[Padawanbater2]

None of that is moderate. The only thing that's slightly moderate is your position on hard drugs. So I'm still unclear on why you consider yourself to be a 'moderate' Democrat?

Why do you say you support progressive positions but then choose to vote for and support moderate Democrats over progressive ones?

 

[Fogdog]

Why do you say you support progressive positions but then choose to vote for and support moderate Democrats over progressive ones?

I thought I was supporting a good progressive Democrat when I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary. With 20:20 hindsight, I realize now that Bernie wasn't all that progressive While I admit I got it wrong and agree that I didn't support the candidate with the best set of progressive positions and instead voted for Bernie, I own up to my mistake. I was fooled by some of the hype. I'll try to do better in the future.

Fortunately for me, most of the voters for the Democratic party got it right and so my mistake wasn't fatal.

In the general election, I voted for the most progressive Democrat on the ballot.

edit: Do you realize that you are replying to yourself in your post? Not a good look.

 

[ttystikk]

I thought I was supporting a good progressive Democrat when I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary. With 20:20 hindsight, I realize now that Bernie wasn't all that progressive While I admit I got it wrong and agree that I didn't support the candidate with the best set of progressive positions and instead voted for Bernie, I own up to my mistake. I was fooled by some of the hype. I'll try to do better in the future.

Fortunately for me, most of the voters for the Democratic party got it right and so my mistake wasn't fatal.

In the general election, I voted for the most progressive Democrat on the ballot.

edit: Do you realize that you are replying to yourself in your post? Not a good look.

Bernie may not be perfect but he is an enormous step in the right direction.

If you did any thinking, you'd know that.

Why do you think Democrats are any different from Republicans?

 

[potroastV2]

Bernie may not be perfect but he is an enormous step in the right direction.

If you did any thinking, you'd know that.

Why do you think Democrats are any different from Republicans?

That's your response?? "If you did any thinking ... "

Are you actually saying that a Hillary White House would be the same as what we have now?

You've got no reason to criticize anyone else.

 

[captainmorgan]

That's your response?? "If you did any thinking ... "

Are you actually saying that a Hillary White House would be the same as what we have now?

You've got no reason to criticize anyone else.

He hasn't even noticed that the only people liking his posts are the MAGA crowd.

 

[ttystikk]

That's your response?? "If you did any thinking ... "

Are you actually saying that a Hillary White House would be the same as what we have now?

You've got no reason to criticize anyone else.

There would not be a steady stream of crazy headlines coming from the White House, but would there be much positive change in the lives of ordinary people?

I'm not going out on much of a limb when I say, 'not really'.

I've been littering this subforum for days with article after article that shows how Democrats don't behave substantially differently than Republicans on everything from civil rights to defense spending to corporate sector giveaways. I've done my homework and I've posted it here.

Where's your evidence to the contrary?

 

[ttystikk]

He hasn't even noticed that the only people liking his posts are the MAGA crowd.

If that's your idea of criticism you have no business calling anyone else crazy.

All that shows is that people who call themselves Democrats or liberals are just as stuck their thinking as conservatives and Republicans.

I realize that what I'm suggesting is challenging the accepted political norms. Not everyone can handle views that differ from their own.

It isn't surprising to me that Democrats especially have a tough time being called out for corporate friendly corruption and collusion but the evidence is inescapable.

As for the establishment Democrat stalwarts here- @UncleBuck being a prime example- they fully understand that the greatest threat to their power and relevance in America is a threat from their Left, and they act accordingly, the needs of their self professed constituents be damned.

I don't give a fuck about the Rollitup popularity contest. I give a fuck about the direction of our country and I see both major parties as part of the problem. The solution requires holding both accountable- and that's a great way to piss off pretty much everyone in the room who still thinks Washington works for anyone but Big Business.

 

[potroastV2]

He hasn't even noticed that the only people liking his posts are the MAGA crowd.

Yeah, his posts get Likes from the magamorons. Maybe he is their leader.

 

[captainmorgan]

If that's your idea of criticism you have no business calling anyone else crazy.

All that shows is that people who call themselves Democrats or liberals are just as stuck their thinking as conservatives and Republicans.

I realize that what I'm suggesting is challenging the accepted political norms. Not everyone can handle views that differ from their own.

It isn't surprising to me that Democrats especially have a tough time being called out for corporate friendly corruption and collusion but the evidence is inescapable.

As for the establishment Democrat stalwarts here- @UncleBuck being a prime example- they fully understand that the greatest threat to their power and relevance in America is a threat from their Left, and they act accordingly, the needs of their self professed constituents be damned.

I don't give a fuck about the Rollitup popularity contest. I give a fuck about the direction of our country and I see both major parties as part of the problem. The solution requires holding both accountable- and that's a great way to piss off pretty much everyone in the room who still thinks Washington works for anyone but Big Business.

It's not a popularity contest but likes do indicate who agrees with your posts, just wear your MAGA hat with pride fool.

 

[ttystikk]

It's not a popularity contest but likes do indicate who agrees with your posts, just wear your MAGA hat with pride fool.

There's your hatred and inability to consider the views of others shining through again.

And you call others intolerant?

 

[Padawanbater2]

We're "far left fanatics" for one argument, then "MAGA Trump supporters" the next..

You guys should make up your minds, once and for all.

 

[Fogdog]

We're "far left fanatics" for one argument, then "MAGA Trump supporters" the next..

You guys should make up your minds, once and for all.

Uh, no, you are white, "not-racist", liberal progressives who have fallen for right wing propaganda. You definitely support left progressive policies like progressive taxation, getting big money out of campaigns, universal healthcare. I don't see how you can be called MAGA Trump supporters. You carry their water but you aren't like them. I think that @captainmorgan is referring to the result of your efforts, not your political view.

 

[ttystikk]

Uh, no, you are white, "not-racist", liberal progressives who have fallen for right wing propaganda. You definitely support left progressive policies like progressive taxation, getting big money out of campaigns, universal healthcare. I don't see how you can be called MAGA Trump supporters. You carry their water but you aren't like them. I think that @captainmorgan is referring to the result of your efforts, not your political view.

Your pigeonholes make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

But I'm jealous of the drugs you're taking!

 

[ttystikk]

We're "far left fanatics" for one argument, then "MAGA Trump supporters" the next..

You guys should make up your minds, once and for all.

Fear of the unknown makes people behave strangely.

They've laid claim to being the 'Left' for so long that when someone comes along and calls them out on it they freak out completely.

It's fun to watch, really.

 

[Padawanbater2]

B

partial support for some of the harder drugs. some of them should be criminalized. but there should also be better rehab and support programs at the same time. some of the lesser drugs should be regulated like is happening with pot. safe, legal, and monitorable.

i oppose opposition to universal healthcare, oppose support for predatory loan sharks, etc.

None of that is moderate. The only thing that's slightly moderate is your position on hard drugs. So I'm still unclear on why you consider yourself to be a 'moderate' Democrat?

Why do you say you support progressive positions but then choose to vote for and support moderate Democrats over progressive ones?

Address this @UncleBuck