ttystikk
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Don't expect to have your questions answered if you won't do the same courtesy.
The progressive wing has already beaten the establishment in 2018
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ttystikk
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There's something blowing in the wind...Why did the moderate Democratic message of Republican light fail to entice Democrats and progressives to come out to vote?
The wind of change.
UncleBuck
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did it ever occur to you that i am asking a question that you guys have no good answer for, and so you ultra-popular progressives avoiding an answer is the whole point?
Padawanbater2
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The moderate track record speaks for itself. It's a losing strategy.
Same with the progressive track record, it has won more seats since Trump was elected across the board, but especially in deep red districts where critics falsely claim progressive candidates can't win. You can't argue with reality or facts. Progressives win, moderates don't.
Same with the progressive track record, it has won more seats since Trump was elected across the board, but especially in deep red districts where critics falsely claim progressive candidates can't win. You can't argue with reality or facts. Progressives win, moderates don't.
UncleBuck
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except dems are not up by +13.4 on the generic ballot, it is closer to half of that
abandonconflict
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Dems lose 1k completely meaningless offices, including city councils in podunk municipalities and you make it sound like the GOP didn't already control all 3 branches of the federal gov't. Nothing in that 1k offices was higher than state house, and none of those state house seats were outside of solid red states. In other words, that whole claim about 1k seats is to be simply disregarded as 100% meaningless.
You guys talk so much about change, but all I see coinciding with it is the right consolidating its power while you goons are hellbent on destroying anything to oppose them while you cry about idpol and SJWs.
You guys talk so much about change, but all I see coinciding with it is the right consolidating its power while you goons are hellbent on destroying anything to oppose them while you cry about idpol and SJWs.
UncleBuck
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you are not stating facts or dealing in reality though.
the two biggest pickups have been the alabama senate seat and the PA-18 house seat, both won by very moderate democrats
the virginia and new jersey governorships were won by moderate dems too.
literally everyone bernie has endorsed and campaigned for has lost so far.
travisw
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Mixed Results for Berniecrats in Texas
It wasn’t a bad thing to be a Berniecrat candidate in the Texas Democratic primaries this year – but it wasn't a great thing, either.
The Observer compiled a list of 25 congressional and state legislative candidates — consisting of some endorsed by the Bernie Sanders-affiliated group Our Revolution Texas, others endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America and a couple who met the criteria but weren’t endorsed by those groups. Of those, four candidates won outright, nine made it to runoffs, and twelve lost. That’s a success rate of a little over 50, pending the runoffs in May.
https://www.texasobserver.org/mixed-results-berniecrats-texas/
Padawanbater2
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Put it on record or close your mouth. Stop being a coward, stand up for what you believe, put it down so we can point to it later when you're wrong. The only reason you won't, now, is because you know you will be proven wrong, and you don't want to commit to it now, so we can quote it later.
abandonconflict
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Put what on record? You must still be calling me a democrat or liberal because I am friends with people who voted for Clinton. Just because I don't entertain every dumb ass claim you make doesn't mean I agree with them. Besides, that's pretty much the most commonly used Trumptard strategy. You can't argue with someone unless you first criticize Hillary or compare your candidate to Hillary. I'm criticizing your "movement". "Our Revolution" ™ sure seems like it was part of the plan to put Trump into office. I'm not here to support Hillary, she's irrelevant. I'm here to oppose Trump, unlike you.
ttystikk
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Remember that as good lil establishment ballwashers they're AGAINST everything. Being FOR something We the People actually want is liable to cost them donor cash.
ttystikk
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Yep, you're against everything.
Padawanbater2
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abandonconflict
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Says the guy who thinks racism will go away if we just don't talk about it.
Padawanbater2
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OK, so why do you choose to remain ambiguous about it? You seem to support moderate Democrats. So it's not outside the ordinary to assume you are also yourself a moderate Democrat. If you're not, please correct me. Where do you fall on the political spectrum, what politicians do you support? Why?
abandonconflict
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fify
If more progressives beat republicans than bla bla bla...
More republicans will lose if the faux-left faction of the opposition stops forcing the rest of the party into shit. "Our Revolution" ™ has fractured the viable opposition, increasing GOP chances of maintaining power.
abandonconflict
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For the millionth (at least) time, stop pigeonholing me. You're the guy who thinks more is expected of you than others because you're a white guy. I'm not going to ever be on your side. It was your little fake progressive movement that calls itself socialist but is as capitalist as any US political group that has a huge share in the blame for putting Trump into office.
ttystikk
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Yet another weak attempt to change the subject.
abandonconflict
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No, the two of you are objectively pro-GOP. Your little faux-progressive movement is hellbent on destroying the DNC, not the GOP. You two are insistent upon mischaracterizing my stance as pro-DNC because you can't argue otherwise. Your interests align perfectly with the privileged white male power structure system. You think that Trump's election was the "best thing that ever happened for the left in your lifetime" and that the rest of us somehow deserve this fascist. Fuck your fake ass inflatable movement.
Padawanbater2
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Every time you trot this out it just reinforces how disconnected you actually are. Nobody said racism will go away if we just stop talking about it. The argument you've chosen to strawman is that racism won't go away just by talking about it. Just by accusing people of being racist and having them fired from their jobs or censored from other positions. You're not going to defeat racism that way. That's your entire argument. Every time I've asked you and your ilk for actual solutions, the kinds of solutions apparently Hillary Clinton voiced during her campaign and Sanders didn't, even though some of you actually voted for Sanders over Clinton in the Democratic primary, it's met with crickets. You have no solutions.
What did Clinton do better on racial issues that Sanders didn't? What specific policy position(s) did she support that he didn't, that African Americans did? Name it
The argument is that in deep red districts, people don't prioritize issues concerning identity politics because it doesn't affect them everyday. They care about the economic hardships they go through on a day to day basis. This is why populist left progressive policy positions win them over and why the votes reflect that.