Why are there so many Trump supporters on RIU?

Fogdog

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Classic liberal is aka Establishment Democrat similar to that of a moderate republican aka Establishment Republican.

The two are almost interchangeable.

Democratic Socialism ie Denmark is far left.

Nationalism ie Nazi is far right.
I know you hate establishment Democrats but he says Ron Paul is his ideal Classic Liberal. His idea of classical liberal is basically a libertarian, free market, small government, unregulated society, everybody is equal so why do we need civil rights laws kind of thing.

Yesterday -- 0 for 5. LOL
 

Jimdamick

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Doesn't surprise me at all. I know quite a few Liberals with guns who hunt and shoot target/trap. However, they are Classical Liberals who don't buy into the ultra-left group-think and have no intention of turning their guns on Conservatives simply due to a different opinion on a few issues.

Your intent to kill your fellow Americans is noteworthy.
Nope, ain't gonna turn my guns on my fellow Americans (maybe a Canadian), unless they come knocking on my door with hostile intent

My point was that the comment that implied that the Right had more guns than the Left is true, but there are armed Liberals, ready to defend life, liberty and the American way, also :)

As far as your "Classical Liberals", they haven't done shit for the last 35 years, so fuck'em

It's time for them to go and sit in their rocking chairs, and get the fuck out of the way.
 

cogitech

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1) Cultural Marxism is a chimera made up by Breitbart and the alt.right.
No. It isn't. You can ignore the historical facts of the Frankfurt School if you wish, and you can ignore that this dogma is still being taught by commie Profs at nearly every American and Canadian University - it doesn't change the fact that it exists and that it is an incredibly destructive force in the modern world.

2) As long as we don't have equal opportunity then there must be enforcement of civil rights laws.
Equal opportunity is not the same thing as equity. Look it up.

3) We have freedom of thought and expression. Both sides are free from government intrusion into what can or can't be said under the first amendment. People like Milo and Spencer are free to say what they want. Other people are free to protest their presence on campuses. Their freedom to speak doesn't mean that protesters can't exercise their freedom to protest and shut them up.
There are many on the alt-left, including several in this thread, who would go to any lengths (including murder) to silence the opinions of others. To say that these people support freedom of expression is an act overt contradiction. They are the fascists.
 

Sour Wreck

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There are many on the alt-left, including several in this thread, who would go to any lengths (including murder) to silence the opinions of others. To say that these people support freedom of expression is an act overt contradiction. They are the fascists.
the only way to STOP fascists is with force. Trump and his band of retards need some force applied on them...
 

cogitech

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Oh yes, clearly not a liberal.

The guy is as racist as can be.

I'm beginning to get where you are coming from.

  • Small government with limited roles - National defense being one of them. Justice system too. What about education system, national or private?
  • Unregulated capitalism
  • No social programs like universal healthcare(?) or programs to keep people out of poverty or starving to death
  • No such thing as racism or racial inequality so civil rights laws are unnecessary

Am I guessing right?
No. You aren't. You asked for an example of Classical Liberalism and I provided one. My knowledge of these things does not indicate my belief in any of them.

I'm Canadian, for fuck's sake. You think I don't like my "free" health care?
 

Jimdamick

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Hey Jim I don’t vote but I am political, I live in a fucking monarchy ruled by an evil witch, voting is pointless, the witch tells the American poodles ( our politicians) what to do. Loving the chav wedding our country’s share, so low class, jerry springer types
Zeddd, I luv ya bro :)
But, I gotta ask.
Have you dropped acid lately?
Because it sounds like you are coming off a bummer.
 

Fogdog

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No. It isn't. You can ignore the historical facts of the Frankfurt School if you wish, and you can ignore that this dogma is still being taught by commie Profs at nearly every American and Canadian University - it doesn't change the fact that it exists and that it is an incredibly destructive force in the modern world.
I did look it up. You should read further. There were a few Jewish philosophers who escaped Nazi Germany and wrote some stuff. Your "Frankfurt School". Never went anywhere in the real world. Most philosophies don't. Education systems are chartered with teaching people about ideas and philosophy is certainly a part of that charter. So, you are all about censoring education to teach only what you approve of.

What you are parroting is a fascist-white supremacist-alt.right made up idea that those five or so academics spawned an evil multiculturalism that is somehow imposing a monoculture on the world. Ridiculous and contradictory but useful propaganda.
Equal opportunity is not the same thing as equity. Look it up.
I'll repeat. As long as unequal opportunity exists, then enforcement of civil rights laws is necessary. What your Rubin dude and others are whining about is enforcement of civil rights laws to address inequality in this country.
There are many on the alt-left, including several in this thread, who would go to any lengths (including murder) to silence the opinions of others. To say that these people support freedom of expression is an act overt contradiction. They are the fascists.
Yep, the alt.right, KKK, other white supremacist groups are murderous sons of bitches. Our first amendment requires the government to allow them to take their hate speech to the streets and intimidate minorities. A black or Jewish child should never experience fear from people brandishing and marching with Nazi flags or other white supremacist regalia shouting death slogans at them without those children also seeing significant opposition to their speech. The government can't stop them so the good citizens of this country must.

Don't even think of using the slippery slope argument about this. Those hate groups preach death and marginalization of minorities. Fair minded people have every right to stand up to them in numbers that cause THEM to quail in fear. I was at a counterdemonstration in Portland last year. You bet those few assholes hid behind the cops when they saw how many we were and what we were prepared to do to them if they set on foot outside the protected perimeter. That's what I wanted the kids to see. We were peaceful, we let the police maintain order but there was no question about those assholes leaving police protection to march in the streets of my city.
 
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Fogdog

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No. You aren't. You asked for an example of Classical Liberalism and I provided one. My knowledge of these things does not indicate my belief in any of them.

I'm Canadian, for fuck's sake. You think I don't like my "free" health care?
Classical liberals eschew government programs like universal healthcare. This is why I asked you what you meant by "classical liberal". You've clearly developed your own idea of what it means and it doesn't match what you linked to on wikipedia.
 

Jimdamick

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I did look it up. You should read further. There were a few Jewish philosophers who escaped Nazi Germany and wrote some stuff. Your "Frankfurt School". Never went anywhere in the real world. Most philosophies don't. Education systems are chartered with teaching people about ideas and philosophy is certainly a part of that charter. So, you are all about censoring education to teach what you approve of.

What you are parroting is a fascist-white supremacist-alt.right made up idea that those five or so academics spawned an evil multiculturalism that is somehow imposing a monoculture on the world. Ridiculous and contradictory but useful propaganda.

I'll repeat. As long as unequal opportunity exists, then enforcement of civil rights laws is necessary. What your Rubin dude and others are whining about is enforcement of civil rights laws to address inequality in this country.

Yep, the alt.right, KKK, other white supremacist groups are murderous sons of bitches. Our first amendment requires the government to allow them to take their hate speech to the streets and intimidate minorities. A black or Jewish child should never experience fear from people brandishing and marching with Nazi flags or other white supremacist regalia shouting death slogans at them without those children also seeing significant opposition to their speech. The government can't stop them so the good citizens of this country must.

Don't even think of using the slippery slope argument about this. Those hate groups preach death and marginalization of minorities. Fair minded people have every right to stand up to them in numbers that cause THEM to quail in fear. I was at a counterdemonstration in Portland last year. You bet those few assholes hid behind the cops when they saw how many we were and what we were prepared to do to them if they set on foot outside the protected perimeter. That's what I wanted the kids to see. We were peaceful, we let the police maintain order but there was no question about those assholes leaving police protection to march in the streets of my city.
Fucking excellent retort!

:)
 

Jimdamick

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Hey Jim I don’t vote but I am political, I live in a fucking monarchy ruled by an evil witch, voting is pointless, the witch tells the American poodles ( our politicians) what to do. Loving the chav wedding our country’s share, so low class, jerry springer types
Disregard my previous reply, I didn't know that you were unfortunately born English.
I feel for you brother.
:)
 
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