Maximum Wage: Limiting CEO Pay

[UncleBuck]

does everyone think you are a pedophile because you refuse to say it is wrong for a 54 year old to have sex with an 11 year old?

 

[ttystikk]

You are a sad joke

Doug jones and Conor lamb say hi

You're a fake liberal.

 

[ttystikk]

I'm all for all the free stuff Bernie offered in his campaign. Just saying most of the US would have rejected it. But you just want to quote opinion polls and ignore how people really cast their votes.

You made a false claim that I made an equivalence statement. to funny that.

Oh look- another fake liberal.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I keep saying Bernie is OK.

No, you said;

Racism and bigotry is part and parcel of the divisiveness that persists in Bernie's political ideology. Yet, they contend that women, black and Hispanic people must put their issues on the back burner in favor of economic policies.

Except all available data consistently shows that Sanders polls higher among all the groups you just listed than he does with white men

He polls 15% higher among black people than white people, 3% higher among Hispanics than whites, and 12% higher among other minorities than whites. He polls 13% higher among women than men who would like to see candidates less like Sanders. So your fabrication of the actual facts that Sanders only polls high among white men is completely wrong. Now that you know what you're espousing is essentially a lie, hopefully you're smart and honest enough to tell the truth as lying about it only harms your own argument.

Yet, they contend that women, black and Hispanic people must put their issues on the back burner in favor of economic policies.

The economic policies we espouse benefit women, black and Hispanic people and poor people the most. You have yet to support a policy issue that benefits these groups Sanders or myself or any of the other Sanders supporters oppose. We all support the exact same social issues you support, except we go farther and support populist left, economic issues that would benefit these marginalized groups the most that you and the other establishment democrats oppose because the Democrats you support in government oppose them. They oppose them because they're bought by corporations and/or special interests who oppose them. The cover you try to hide behind is transparent. It ain't working, and sad for you, Democratic voters are waking up to that fact, they can see right through you.

They are deluded if they think any Democratic candidate can win the nomination while ignoring black, Latino and women's issues. Nor should they win.

You are ignoring their issues by ignoring the economic hardships they face. That's why they've let you know at the only polls that matter; the election booth.

I'm all for all the free stuff Bernie offered in his campaign. Just saying most of the US would have rejected it.

More right wing language and talking points. As if the RNC hired you themselves..

Nothing is "free". It's paid for by a progressive taxation system, the likes of which earned FDR 4 consecutive terms and the Republican party had to enact the 22nd amendment to stop him from being so goddamn popular

ignore how people really cast their votes.

Your strategy lost the Democratic party more than 1,000 seats under Obama. Yet you persist in your failed Republican light political strategy..

 

[ttystikk]

Can't even fix your own fucking life but you have the audacity to demand the world changes to suit your failed existence.

Sad!!

A completely spurious and irrelevant argument designed to distract.

Pretty lame- even for you, Stinkydigit.

 

[ttystikk]

I'm all for all the free stuff Bernie offered in his campaign.

Funny how it's okay that we don't bother to fund hundreds of billions in 'defense' spending with tax increase or the like but suddenly have to tighten our belts and sacrifice to afford investing in American citizens.

Republican in Dem's clothing, you are.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Funny how it's okay that we don't bother to fund hundreds of billions in 'defense' spending with tax increase or the like but suddenly have to tighten our belts and sacrifice to afford investing in American citizens.

Republican in Dem's clothing, you are.

Can't afford it when it comes to infrastructure or welfare benefits for poor or disabled, no money in that.. put it on the blank check when it comes to "defense" spending (not empire building), we can afford that..

Priorities are fucked up in this country, that's why it's laughable when anyone says we can't afford universal healthcare. It actually saves us $17 trillion over 10 years from our current spending. It's cheaper to ensure every American than it is to prop up the insurance industry at 20%.. But they own politicians, so it's not hard to guess where those politicians interest lies..

 

[Fogdog]

No, you said;

Except all available data consistently shows that Sanders polls higher among all the groups you just listed than he does with white men

He polls 15% higher among black people than white people, 3% higher among Hispanics than whites, and 12% higher among other minorities than whites. He polls 13% higher among women than men who would like to see candidates less like Sanders. So your fabrication of the actual facts that Sanders only polls high among white men is completely wrong. Now that you know what you're espousing is essentially a lie, hopefully you're smart and honest enough to tell the truth as lying about it only harms your own argument.

The economic policies we espouse benefit women, black and Hispanic people and poor people the most. You have yet to support a policy issue that benefits these groups Sanders or myself or any of the other Sanders supporters oppose. We all support the exact same social issues you support, except we go farther and support populist left, economic issues that would benefit these marginalized groups the most that you and the other establishment democrats oppose because the Democrats you support in government oppose them. They oppose them because they're bought by corporations and/or special interests who oppose them. The cover you try to hide behind is transparent. It ain't working, and sad for you, Democratic voters are waking up to that fact, they can see right through you.

You are ignoring their issues by ignoring the economic hardships they face. That's why they've let you know at the only polls that matter; the election booth.

More right wing language and talking points. As if the RNC hired you themselves..

Nothing is "free". It's paid for by a progressive taxation system, the likes of which earned FDR 4 consecutive terms and the Republican party had to enact the 22nd amendment to stop him from being so goddamn popular

Your strategy lost the Democratic party more than 1,000 seats under Obama. Yet you persist in your failed Republican light political strategy..

I keep saying Bernie is OK and I mean it. OK is average, not terrible and not great. Bernie is OK he's just inadequate. I support Bernie's platform, I simple reject the notion that black, brown and women must submit to white male entitlement including lesser pay and getting shot by cops so that white men can have first pick of jobs and where to live. I understand why you are so much for this inequality. I simply can't agree that minorities and women must agree to wait longer before they can be equal.

Thank you for confirming your support for institutional racism. You are not completely dishonest and I can sort of respect that.

 

[Fogdog]

Funny how it's okay that we don't bother to fund hundreds of billions in 'defense' spending with tax increase or the like but suddenly have to tighten our belts and sacrifice to afford investing in American citizens.

Republican in Dem's clothing, you are.

I keep saying that Bernie is OK. I also keep saying that I want national defense to be just that. Defense and not offense. Given your earnest objection to the tax cut for the wealthy, I don't understand why at every turn you do your utmost to ensure Republicans who wrote, introduced and universally voted for that bill remain in power.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Racism and bigotry is part and parcel of the divisiveness that persists in Bernie and padabater's political ideology. Yes, it matters that their biases aren't overt. Yet, they contend that women, black and Hispanic people must put their issues on the back burner in favor of economic policies. Not saying health care, subsidized college, etc. aren't important but Bernie overlooks or ignores civil rights issues that are also important to Democrats.

They are deluded if they think any Democratic candidate can win the nomination while ignoring black, Latino and women's issues. Nor should they win.

Ignorance of the issues facing minorities is not racism.

Be more original, imo, you just see racism behind every blade of grass even when (most of the time) it's not there.

 

[Buddha2525]

The OP of this thread is silly.

Imagine what CEOs could do, if 5,300 regular Wells Fargo employees could open over 2 million fake accounts to get more sales.

CEOs are doing just that everyday, but are much smarter. For every Martha Stewart caught, there's a whole bunch of her not getting caught.

If a plan like the OP was implemented, CEOs would just hide it better.

The only solution is getting rid of the reason behind a CEO wanting to make many lifetimes more than their average employee in the first place.

https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/08/investing/wells-fargo-created-phony-accounts-bank-fees/index.html?iid=EL

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

The only solution is getting rid of the reason behind a CEO wanting to make many lifetimes more than their average employee in the first place.

that would be greed....which i think is an integral part of people who are willing to take the position...how do you remove an integral part of someones personality? and who do you put in their place, since they're the only ones willing and able to do it?

 

[Buddha2525]

that would be greed....which i think is an integral part of people who are willing to take the position...how do you remove an integral part of someones personality? and who do you put in their place, since they're the only ones willing and able to do it?

Greed is a reaction to the reason. Because you made something they want.

By making something not possible, then a person doesn't want it.

One solution is to make it so you get a labor credit. Once it's used, it's gone.

But with money you give money as a credit for labor, then that money is transferred, but not destroyed.

That's the problem.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

money is just a symbol. you "earn" it, then use it. it has no intrinsic value on it's own.
we have a long way to go before we can become a money-less society.
a lot of attitudes have to change, a lot of values have to change.
don't see it happening in my lifetime.
and greed isn't a reaction to the reason, it's the reason for the reason......people don't offer you a cookie because we don't like cookies.
greed is an inborn part of peoples psyche's, most of us learn early that it's not a socially attractive trait, so we try to control it, but it's still there.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

It must be windbag week.

 

[Fogdog]

Ignorance of the issues facing minorities is not racism.

Be more original, imo, you just see racism behind every blade of grass even when (most of the time) it's not there.

We are facing people who are ignorant of their racism. Not overt racists. I guess that makes it OK, huh?

Perhaps you are right. I should stop talking about the racism in Bernie's platform and pointing it out to Bernie's followers. After all, the analysis showing the multi-generational harm that institutional racism or misogyny has on minorities and women is available from better sources. Bernie did say that "people are tired of political correct rhetoric". I should just give it a rest.

Heck, if we just stopped talking about racism it will go away.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

maybe if we just stop talking about bernie, he'll go away.
they have to have someone viable run, who can talk to minorities, who realizes the country is about the people, and the country is made up of all kinds of different people.
we're doomed

 

[ttystikk]

that would be greed....which i think is an integral part of people who are willing to take the position...how do you remove an integral part of someones personality? and who do you put in their place, since they're the only ones willing and able to do it?

I categorically reject the notion that the only people willing and able to execute the position of CEO effectively are greedy narcissists.

This just perpetuates a wildly inaccurate stereotype and conveniently ignores the fact that bad actors get away with such behavior only because of the current legal, regulatory and business climate.

 

[ttystikk]

Can't afford it when it comes to infrastructure or welfare benefits for poor or disabled, no money in that.. put it on the blank check when it comes to "defense" spending (not empire building), we can afford that..

Priorities are fucked up in this country, that's why it's laughable when anyone says we can't afford universal healthcare. It actually saves us $17 trillion over 10 years from our current spending. It's cheaper to ensure every American than it is to prop up the insurance industry at 20%.. But they own politicians, so it's not hard to guess where those politicians interest lies..

Priorities are fucked up in this country because we've allowed the tiny fraction who control most of the available cash to control our nomination process and therefore the elections.

Call it fiscal Tweedism.

 

[ttystikk]

I keep saying that Bernie is OK. I also keep saying that I want national defense to be just that. Defense and not offense. Given your earnest objection to the tax cut for the wealthy, I don't understand why at every turn you do your utmost to ensure Republicans who wrote, introduced and universally voted for that bill remain in power.

First you say Bernie is okay, then you turn around and spend most of your column inches here trashing him in favor of far more conservative candidates.

Just register as a Republican already, then we can stop calling you a hypocrite.