Flush Tips

[StrawberryYields]

Yeah I totally understand your doubt haha Here are a couple of pictures of it at week 10 of veg. As you can see, I almost had it totally horizontal. It stretched the shoe lace out as it grew (I replaced the base string with one because I was worried the string was too thin) and I was so busy freaking about about the other things that I didn't want to be more ambitious. In the second pic I drew arrows at how many actual cola grew out of it. There may have even been a seventh...

Edit: Yup, just found the top-down view lol you can see the actual shoe lace in this one too

I just re-read what you said about your lst experience, damn that must have been so aggravating. Talk about a lesson learned! haha I'm thinking about doing two plants at once for my next round. Not sure if I wanna try it again.

 

[SNOLEPERD]

Flushing out your plants at certain times is imperative, allso imperative is good drainage, use clay pellets or growstones, I flush my plants out when I switch from veg to flower, you may have to flush if you get a build up of excess nutrients, you allso want to completely flush a week before you chop, this is allso imperative if you don't want to taste all that crap in your weed, of course you have to flush out your plants at certain times why all the controversy?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Flushing out your plants at certain times is imperative, allso imperative is good drainage, use clay pellets or growstones, I flush my plants out when I switch from veg to flower, you may have to flush if you get a build up of excess nutrients, you allso want to completely flush a week before you chop, this is allso imperative if you don't want to taste all that crap in your weed, of course you have to flush out your plants at certain times why all the controversy?

because you're as wrong as you can be, that's why the controversy.
why don't you go read some botany books, and quit listening to the asshats at the hydro shop who are trying to sell you useless shit?
when you stop feeding a plant before it's done growing, they start to eat themselves, they pull mobile nutrients from lower growth to feed the buds. if you slowly lower their feed you can be down to 150 ppm at chop, never trigger this response, and have less nutrients built up in your buds than if you trigger the starvation response.
and that's real science, not bro science. you can look it up. i know you can't look up any scientific facts that support flushing, because i looked and there aren't any, just stupid magazine articles written by staff writers to satisfy advertisers

 

[SNOLEPERD]

Wow u need a xanax, I still say at certain times it is imperative you flush your plants! Peace.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Wow u need a xanax, I still say at certain times it is imperative you flush your plants! Peace.

i need a sedative because i don't agree with you? i don't agree with you because you're wrong, maybe you need the sedative, so you can sit still long enough to read one chapter out of a book.

 

[PURPLEB3RRYKUSH]

i need a sedative because i don't agree with you? i don't agree with you because you're wrong, maybe you need the sedative, so you can sit still long enough to read one chapter out of a book.

GOLD

 

[StrawberryYields]

I turn my back for a few hours...lmao jk

But seriously, their calling bullshit on the flush makes a lot of sense. He's entirely right when he says that cannibalism will sink in if the plant is spending X amount of nutrients per day to grow flowers, then I could only imagine the immune response would be to CONTINUE to devote those same nutrients. When they're suddenly not being supplied via the root system, it will pull them from wherever else it can.

Sort of like when the brain suffers withdrawals. It's used to whichever drug provides it the stimuli for the reaction (most often increased dopamine), and when it's not supplied it goes nuts trying to figure wtf to do with itself. Do I got that about right, you think?

 

[StrawberryYields]

Besides, one thing I did before even beginning an attempt was buy a book and read it. Never mentioned 'flushing' once, that's one of the reasons I came here with questions about it.

 

[SNOLEPERD]

As I said there are only 2 times you need to flush your plant if you don't f up along the way, 1 when you switch from feeding food to feeding bloom nutrients, 2 7 to10 days before you chop, and ill make people really angry as the last 2 days of my plants life is spent in total darkness, I flush my plant out at least a week before I chop, why? Beacuse I don't want to taste all that excess bloom base and agent, as for leaving my plants in darkness the last 48 hours of there lives I don't know why I do it, force of habit?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

the "base" of synthetic nutes are salts, that do not get absorbed by the plant. that's why you should get a small amount of run off each time you water, to prevent them from building up in your medium. because they don't get absorbed by the plant. plants absorb ions of nutrients, salts can't be ionized, one of the reasons they use them.
if you aren't overfeeding to begin with, there will never be any residue building up in your plant. if there is residue building up in your plant, it will show up almost immediately as leaf burn. if you see leaves burning, cut back. immediately.
if you have been overfeeding, the only way to get rid of it is to let the plant use the excess. you CANNOT remove it physically.
you'll do better feeding at 1/4 strength than cutting off nutes completely. remember the starvation response i mentioned before? trigger it, and you'll not get rid of a damned thing, you'll relocate as many mobile nutes to the buds as the plant is capable of moving, winding up in a worse position than when you started.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

ps, the 48 hours of dark thing does make them grow some new trichs, but they'll be immature, just more clears that haven't had the time to turn cloudy. you'd probably be better off using a small uv bulb the last couple of days, to mature the ones that are already there

 

[SNOLEPERD]

I do agree with allot of what you said, and if you grow correctly there should be no reason to flush your plants, until you switch your nutrients from food to bloom, I do this beacuse any reamaing food should not be mixed when you put your plant to bloom, in other words any reamaing food base and food residue should be flushed away before I add bloom base and agent, why? So it does not get all mixed together and throw off your ph, while I holehertedley agree an autoflower uses much less nutrients than a photoperid plant, and if you over feed you will be able to tell imedietley beacuse your leaves will be toast, I don't have this problem, and how can you not agree that when your plants are a week from being chopped you would not flush out all the bloom base and agent??? There not going to die or starve that last 7 days, and do you realy wast to smoke that crap?? I flush my plants twice as stated, I hate to fight with people over stupid stuff so let's just agree to disagree on this one stupid topic ok? Friends?

 

[Huckster79]

I do agree with allot of what you said, and if you grow correctly there should be no reason to flush your plants, until you switch your nutrients from food to bloom, I do this beacuse any reamaing food should not be mixed when you put your plant to bloom, in other words any reamaing food base and food residue should be flushed away before I add bloom base and agent, why? So it does not get all mixed together and throw off your ph, while I holehertedley agree an autoflower uses much less nutrients than a photoperid plant, and if you over feed you will be able to tell imedietley beacuse your leaves will be toast, I don't have this problem, and how can you not agree that when your plants are a week from being chopped you would not flush out all the bloom base and agent??? There not going to die or starve that last 7 days, and do you realy wast to smoke that crap?? I flush my plants twice as stated, I hate to fight with people over stupid stuff so let's just agree to disagree on this one stupid topic ok? Friends?

I think were I don't think its necessary is because the plant has used much of those nutes as building blocks to its very structure, it's "digested them" so to speak-they aren't leaving the plant in entirety... I don't think the last week of no nutes would be detrimental as there should be sufficient "residue" of nutes in most any medium at the end even for us light feeders, but I wouldn't flush it clean first, I'd say cutting off is okay close to end if you don't do a big flush of multiple gallons more than the grow medium... As the plant will have plenty of "vitamins" left in the medium to use up in that time.

 

[SNOLEPERD]

No I do a light flush about 7 days before I chop just to get rid of any excess bloom base and bloombastic, just enough till it runs clear, so whatever left the plant will use up during the last 7 days of life, although I do feed light during veg when it comes to blooming I start out at 1/2 recommended dose per gal and acclimate up to the point where just the tiny tips of my leaves burn, this tells me my plant is at maximum uptake but I do this slowly autos are very easy to burn, last time I had a plant 2 weeks behind in bloom, I accidentally fed it the stuff I was giveing it's sister, I immediately saw my mistake and was forced to flush, even then I burned my leaves nicely, had I not flushed I would have lost her, ok yea it was a rookie mistake I was not paying attention but I saw how the plant reacted and again had I not immediately flushed out my mistake I would have lost my plant.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i'm not trying to fight with you. i'm trying to explain something, and we seem to be on different pages.

"I do a light flush about 7 days before I chop just to get rid of any excess bloom base and bloombastic, just enough till it runs clear, so whatever left the plant will use up during the last 7 days of life,"

if you weren't feeding the plant as much as you can without doing obvious damage to it, there would be nothing to "flush out".
while i am aware plants are not people, this is a fair analogy....if you eat a sensible amount daily, you stay healthy, and don't need to lose weight. if you eat just as much as you can every day, and don't stop till it starts to feel like you're going to be ill soon, you not only aren't going to remain healthy, you're going to turn into a blob.
your plants are the same way. they only need so much food to be healthy, and that's not just enough to not burn them. don't load them down with too much food, and there won't be anything to flush out of the soil.

"I accidentally fed it the stuff I was giveing it's sister, I immediately saw my mistake and was forced to flush, even then I burned my leaves nicely, had I not flushed I would have lost her, ok yea it was a rookie mistake I was not paying attention but I saw how the plant reacted and again had I not immediately flushed out my mistake I would have lost my plant."
again, the result of overfeeding. there's no need to use anywhere near enough food to burn a plant. ever.

you are building up too much food in your pots, then flushing it out, after it's had time to do the damage it's going to do.
if you watered till you got at least 10% run off each time you watered, you'd never get that build up, it would get "flushed" each time you watered, and never have time to damage your root system.
it's like you're saying it's ok to eat like a pig, because i can use an enema to wash all the shit out.....doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?

 

[SNOLEPERD]

Bro there is no damage to my plants, there not burned, no mold, no fade, no deficiency, no eagle clawing, no nothing but 2 40 day old plants in full flower, showing trichomes, will leave in veg for 10 more days before I yes me, flush out the base and food residue from my plants add botanacare pro flower base and Atami bloombastic and acclimate up from there after I check my ph of course, you just cant teach an old SNOLEPERD new tricks, I just do not want to fight I'm letting this go, good luck.

 

[coreywebster]

You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him suck you off!

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

my favorite is "you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think."

 

[StrawberryYields]

Idk I've met some pretty cultured whores.

Not sure I get the joke.

 

[Heisengrow]

Bro there is no damage to my plants, there not burned, no mold, no fade, no deficiency, no eagle clawing, no nothing but 2 40 day old plants in full flower, showing trichomes, will leave in veg for 10 more days before I yes me, flush out the base and food residue from my plants add botanacare pro flower base and Atami bloombastic and acclimate up from there after I check my ph of course, you just cant teach an old SNOLEPERD new tricks, I just do not want to fight I'm letting this go, good luck.

So this is where you ended up huh,over here still preaching bro science and posting pics of them burnt up autos full of nanners and shit haha this is priceless.