Cali Wants to Limit Your Kid's Soda Consumption

[Fogdog]

What they should to is outlaw soda or limit the amount you can have on your person at any given time. Put them in jail. In addition outlaw Shoneys and Hardys. I think the problem starts there.

The initiative doesn't ban sodas, it places a tax on them and strikes down a law that was recently passed in their legislature banning cities from enacting special taxes on them. There are plenty of examples where tax policy is used to channel spending. There are good arguments for this tax. I don't live in California but I support the right of Californians to vote on this issue.

 

[UncleBuck]

What they should to is outlaw soda or limit the amount you can have on your person at any given time. Put them in jail. In addition outlaw Shoneys and Hardys. I think the problem starts there.

I think it would be easier to cut off healthcare subsidies to red states that don’t take inititatives to combat the obesity epidemic that is costing our nation trillions of dollars and is mainly caused by unhealthy whites.

I just wonder if we can even afford whites anymore

 

[gwheels]

Taxes are used in many other cases to channel spending into better use, why not tax pepsi or coke to reduce consumption of it?

It makes more sense to tax it heavily in Canada really. If you pay for health care as part of income tax the things that are harmful (incurr health cost) should be more heavily taxed. It helps people make better decisions although people still smoke cigs and wow are they taxed.

 

[Fogdog]

It makes more sense to tax it heavily in Canada really. If you pay for health care as part of income tax the things that are harmful (incurr health cost) should be more heavily taxed. It helps people make better decisions although people still smoke cigs and wow are they taxed.

It's not as if the US doesn't end up paying for treating people's illnesses, we just let the disease progress until it gets so bad it becomes a medical emergency. By law hospitals must treat anybody who comes in a medical emergency. Medicaid and Medicare also pay for diabetes and dialysis which are in part growing problems due to the huge rates of soda consumption. Our broken system treats people too late, hospitals pass the cost on to insurance companies and we pay much more for healthcare coverage medical bills because of it. Instead of a medical delivery system we have a misery delivery system. But that's tangential to the initiative in CA.

People who are addicted and not motivated to change will always find a way to get their drugs. This bill doesn't ban sodas, it places a 25 cent tax on it.

The posts in this thread talk as if Cali is going to ban them. It's just making the cost higher. There are plenty of studies that show by doing so people buy less sodas, which is the intent of the tax. I'm not saying I'd vote for the bill. I'm just saying there is a lot of misinformation about it and pushing back on the rhetoric that chumps are parroting from the propaganda mill that Coke and Pepsi are running. I hate that shit.

 

[BarryBwana]

I don't even think it should be considered as taxing the product I just think corporations and consumers need to start paying the full price of their goods at purchase. Full price includes the cost of fixing any negative externalities that industry and/or its products create.

Talking about soda I would refer to the health care costs it incurs in addition to the recycling of its materials. Not just the cost of the labour and materials making it. Maybe it should really be triple the price but the corporations and consumers causing the externalities can pay for it or make better decisions. Obviously with the extra funds generated going to programs that actually address the externalities ie health care and recycling/environmental programs.

The notion that the price of a good should just cover what it takes to bring it to market and the current tax structure with no consideration of the public costs it will incur down the road should be reconsidered.

 

[Fogdog]

I don't even think it should be considered as taxing the product I just think corporations and consumers need to start paying the full price of their goods at purchase. Full price includes the cost of fixing any negative externalities that industry and/or its products create.

Talking about soda I would refer to the health care costs it incurs in addition to the recycling of its materials. Not just the cost of the labour and materials making it. Maybe it should really be triple the price but the corporations and consumers causing the externalities can pay for it or make better decisions. Obviously with the extra funds generated going to programs that actually address the externalities ie health care and recycling/environmental programs.

The notion that the price of a good should just cover what it takes to bring it to market and the current tax structure with no consideration of the public costs it will incur down the road should be reconsidered.

The objective of the initiative is to cut consumption of sodas..

The rest of what you said would be good grist for a civil discussion, however.

 

[Rob Roy]

It's not as if the US doesn't end up paying for treating people's illnesses, we just let the disease progress until it gets so bad it becomes a medical emergency. By law hospitals must treat anybody who comes in a medical emergency. Medicaid and Medicare also pay for diabetes and dialysis which are in part growing problems due to the huge rates of soda consumption. Our broken system treats people too late, hospitals pass the cost on to insurance companies and we pay much more for healthcare coverage medical bills because of it. Instead of a medical delivery system we have a misery delivery system. But that's tangential to the initiative in CA.

People who are addicted and not motivated to change will always find a way to get their drugs. This bill doesn't ban sodas, it places a 25 cent tax on it.

The posts in this thread talk as if Cali is going to ban them. It's just making the cost higher. There are plenty of studies that show by doing so people buy less sodas, which is the intent of the tax. I'm not saying I'd vote for the bill. I'm just saying there is a lot of misinformation about it and pushing back on the rhetoric that chumps are parroting from the propaganda mill that Coke and Pepsi are running. I hate that shit.

So, what you're really saying is, government laws fuck things up and then they create more laws in an attempt to cover the unintended consequences of the first fucked up law. Rinse, lather, repeat.

 

[Fogdog]

So, what you're really saying is, government laws fuck things up and then they create more laws in an attempt to cover the unintended consequences of the first fucked up law. Rinse, lather, repeat.

not what I said

 

[Rob Roy]

not what I said

It's not as if the US doesn't end up paying for treating people's illnesses, we just let the disease progress until it gets so bad it becomes a medical emergency. By law hospitals must treat anybody who comes in a medical emergency. Medicaid and Medicare also pay for diabetes and dialysis which are in part growing problems due to the huge rates of soda consumption. Our broken system treats people too late, hospitals pass the cost on to insurance companies and we pay much more for healthcare coverage medical bills because of it. Instead of a medical delivery system we have a misery delivery system. But that's tangential to the initiative in CA.

People who are addicted and not motivated to change will always find a way to get their drugs. This bill doesn't ban sodas, it places a 25 cent tax on it.

The posts in this thread talk as if Cali is going to ban them. It's just making the cost higher. There are plenty of studies that show by doing so people buy less sodas, which is the intent of the tax. I'm not saying I'd vote for the bill. I'm just saying there is a lot of misinformation about it and pushing back on the rhetoric that chumps are parroting from the propaganda mill that Coke and Pepsi are running. I hate that shit.

So, you'd be okay with an "obesity tax" then?

Since a soda tax is sort of meant as a revenue generating means and as a Nanny State carrot and stick to discourage consuming "bad things" .

 

[Buddha2525]

So, you'd be okay with an "obesity tax" then?

Since a soda tax is sort of meant as a revenue generating means and as a Nanny State carrot and stick to discourage consuming "bad things" .

I don't think that'd work. Did you know the Rock is morbidly obese according to the AMA's BMI?

 

[Rob Roy]

I don't think that'd work. Did you know the Rock is morbidly obese according to the AMA's BMI?

He looks like he wishes he'd used the bathroom prior to entering the squared circle.

 

[Ripped Farmer]

He looks like he wishes he'd used the bathroom prior to entering the squared circle.

is using

 

[Fogdog]

So, you'd be okay with an "obesity tax" then?

Since a soda tax is sort of meant as a revenue generating means and as a Nanny State carrot and stick to discourage consuming "bad things" .

Which initiative are you talking about?

Just to clarify your muddled post. The initiative in California is to place a 25 cent tax on high sugar sodas. The objective is to cut the consumption of those products. Not anything else.

 

[Rob Roy]

Which initiative are you talking about?

Just to clarify your muddled post. The initiative in California is to place a 25 cent tax on high sugar sodas. The objective is to cut the consumption of those products. Not anything else.

So, following that "logic" to reduce obesity it should be taxed ? And you'd be okay with that ?

 

[dstroy]

So, following that "logic" to reduce obesity it should be taxed ? And you'd be okay with that ?

Thanks for paying your taxes Rob, everyone really appreciates it, especially the government.

 

[Fogdog]

So, following that "logic" to reduce obesity it should be taxed ? And you'd be okay with that ?

The objective is to cut soda consumption. The proposal would implement a tax of 25 cents per 12 ounce serving of commercially produced high sugar sodas. Not anything else.

 

[Rob Roy]

Thanks for paying your taxes Rob, everyone really appreciates it, especially the government.

Except they're not "my taxes" . Also, not everybody appreciates taxation, only those too ignorant to know other means are more peaceful and those who don't care about peaceful means.

 

[Rob Roy]

The objective is to cut soda consumption. The proposal would implement a tax of 25 cents per 12 ounce serving of commercially produced high sugar sodas. Not anything else.

Right. So, you'd be okay with an obesity tax then ? You know for the government to "help" people lose weight?

 

[Fogdog]

Right. So, you'd be okay with an obesity tax then ? You know for the government to "help" people lose weight?

The objective is to cut soda consumption. The proposal would implement a tax of 25 cents per 12 ounce serving of commercially produced high sugar sodas. Not anything else.

 

[UncleBuck]

Poor frustrated robroy moore