Ready to chop?

[jaggwaa]

Most people get the hay smell from cutting early. Happens all the time here it’s why you see so many post of “ is it ready” especially this time of year. Drying and curing is an art that part is true. Most folks don’t even try and control their environment is the biggest issue too. But your right it is along process from start to finish time gives you experience. But no I don’t consider myself an expert in anything in life if I was it would make life a big pile of suck. I do have an advantage considering all my rooms are controlled via their own geothermal heating/cooling and humidity control. But if you use the paper bag method it kind of negates the humidity issue if you have one. But again the hay smell has a lot to do with immature buds. If you think it’s time to chop most time there’s an extra week or two on most gross I’ve seen. I simply don’t fall for the whole starve the plant or dumping tons of water through your medium to flush anything from the plant.
I’ve been in school getting getting another degree this time in botany I also have a small 40 acre hobby farm and live around nothing but farmers and never has that word been uddered honestly.

Iam also interested in botany, after BSC-MSc in Textiles, And BSC-MSC in Computer networking. But no one is giving me admission
Well flushing aside, i saw another point of interest in your post. I believe when all your pistils are dead, dried and crisp, the actual fattening happens after that. Which means, 90% of us harvest prematurely. Or they just harvest right before the bud is ready to swell. But i keep my this theory to mostly myself and tell people to just let one cola go a bit longer.
What do u say about that.
Thanks

 

[jaggwaa]

Also referring to the reduction of nutrients that’s common practice. Most people that talk flushing are one that follow whatever bottles feed schedules and are for some ungodly reason dumping 1600 ppm worth of nutrients in their soil. For my heaviest feeding girls I never go past the 900-1000ppm mark most time less. At the end of the grow I’m still feeding 200 ppm. Flushing came from the shiny bottle companies to get guys to buy more crap.

i have a current grow, 10 weeks in flower, hso green crack, and hso amherst sour diesel, every time i feed 150-200 ppm. Only couple times the tap water that was at 300pm. But rest all ro water with nutes, never more than 200ppm.
When i saw my lower leaves dying and changing strange colors, i figured there must be fertilizer buildup. So i checked the runoff, and it was at 1900 ppm. i Figured thats been collecting there for 10 weeks, i changed my feed to 50ppm for 2 weeks, until my runnoff came to 600ppm, but then i saw yellowing that was early for me. What happened was the top portion of the bucket got really flushed while bottom was still at 600. Now iam thinking of some sort of circulating system to keep the fertilizer distribution even throughout the whole pot. in my second grow cabinet, i have pure river bed soil, which is more like clay, with some cow dung manure, there, i have to wait 10 minutes for a cup of water to go through the pot. The way the water gathers on top of the soil, i think its opposite of coco. Like coco has nutes concentration at the bottom, while pure soil may have the concentration on the top. If this 2nd cabinet grow went without any problem, i will be an organic guy from there on. And hey, i cant even imagine flushing that thing. It would take a year

 

[Lordhooha]

Iam also interested in botany, after BSC-MSc in Textiles, And BSC-MSC in Computer networking. But no one is giving me admission
Well flushing aside, i saw another point of interest in your post. I believe when all your pistils are dead, dried and crisp, the actual fattening happens after that. Which means, 90% of us harvest prematurely. Or they just harvest right before the bud is ready to swell. But i keep my this theory to mostly myself and tell people to just let one cola go a bit longer.
What do u say about that.
Thanks

Yah my other two are computer science focused on network infrastructure the other is in business. Then all the damn comptia, Microsoft and Cisco certs. It wouldn’t be so bad if they weren’t so damn expensive.
As for the when they’re ready it’s a combination of trichromes the “hairs” and the type of high you want. I use a usb microscope that attaches to my android works well. Anymore though it’s easy to eyeball them.

 

[mastrmasn]

As you say it’s trichomes and hairs and type of high. The one with the most white hairs is NL and already has amber trichomes.

 

[Lordhooha]

i have a current grow, 10 weeks in flower, hso green crack, and hso amherst sour diesel, every time i feed 150-200 ppm. Only couple times the tap water that was at 300pm. But rest all ro water with nutes, never more than 200ppm.
When i saw my lower leaves dying and changing strange colors, i figured there must be fertilizer buildup. So i checked the runoff, and it was at 1900 ppm. i Figured thats been collecting there for 10 weeks, i changed my feed to 50ppm for 2 weeks, until my runnoff came to 600ppm, but then i saw yellowing that was early for me. What happened was the top portion of the bucket got really flushed while bottom was still at 600. Now iam thinking of some sort of circulating system to keep the fertilizer distribution even throughout the whole pot. in my second grow cabinet, i have pure river bed soil, which is more like clay, with some cow dung manure, there, i have to wait 10 minutes for a cup of water to go through the pot. The way the water gathers on top of the soil, i think its opposite of coco. Like coco has nutes concentration at the bottom, while pure soil may have the concentration on the top. If this 2nd cabinet grow went without any problem, i will be an organic guy from there on. And hey, i cant even imagine flushing that thing. It would take a year

Seems like you were feeding way too often. I don’t use ro water for anything except for drinking. Everything else gets my well water which is right around 200 ppm. What sort of setup do you have? Coco or some other hydro setup or soil?

 

[Lordhooha]

As you say it’s trichomes and hairs and type of high. The one with the most white hairs is NL and already has amber trichomes.

Where are your checking trichrome wise? If your not looking at the bud itself it’s wrong. Sugar leaves will amber up far sooner than the bud.

 

[jaggwaa]

Seems like you were feeding way too often. I don’t use ro water for anything except for drinking. Everything else gets my well water which is right around 200 ppm. What sort of setup do you have? Coco or some other hydro setup or soil?

in cabinet, COCO Coir, + perlite . which is at 10 weeks, the pics below. In second cabinet, which is at just 2 weeks of flower, it has pure local river bed soil, and cow dung manure. Trying organic here.
The coco 10 weeks grow is in the pic. This will most probably go 15 weeks imo

 

[Lordhooha]

in cabinet, COCO Coir, + perlite . which is at 10 weeks, the pics below. In second cabinet, which is at just 2 weeks of flower, it has pure local river bed soil, and cow dung manure. Trying organic here.
The coco 10 weeks grow is in the pic. This will most probably go 15 weeks imo

What sort of feed schedule do you use in the coco? Feed, water, water, feed that’s a good way to do coco. An those are 10 weeks from flipping?

 

[Lordhooha]

What sort of lighting do you use?

 

[jaggwaa]

Yah my other two are computer science focused on network infrastructure the other is in business. Then all the damn comptia, Microsoft and Cisco certs. It wouldn’t be so bad if they weren’t so damn expensive.
As for the when they’re ready it’s a combination of trichromes the “hairs” and the type of high you want. I use a usb microscope that attaches to my android works well. Anymore though it’s easy to eyeball them.

Whenever i try to look at trichomes, i feel dizzy. My head starts spinning. May be thats due to looking through that 60x jewelers loop with one eye. I still want to learn that finished bud look. Some people just look at the bud and tell its ready. I want to be able to do that.

 

[jaggwaa]

What sort of lighting do you use?

Yes 10 weeks from 12-12. Changed to 10-14 10 days ago.
Lights is a bit tricky. Please don't laugh.
105 Watt from wall. Cabinet 1, the picture above.
Cabinet 2 where organic stuff is hapening, 70W from wall.
Total they are 10 cobs, cree cxa2540, DIY
Cabinet 1, 6 cobs running at half of half power, 450ma each, each cob can take upto 2100ma. But iam running them extremely softer @450ma
Cabinet 2, 4 cobs same running at 450ma
Both cabinets with all fans and active cooling, 230w from wall.
I can double this setup by running each cob at 900ma, but i wanted to see, Weather its possible or not. The lights is an experiment too.

 

[jaggwaa]

Seems like you were feeding way too often. I don’t use ro water for anything except for drinking. Everything else gets my well water which is right around 200 ppm. What sort of setup do you have? Coco or some other hydro setup or soil?

Feed Water Feed Water every 3 days. Water only at 14ppm. And feed with around 200ppm. I used tap water once every 15 days, my tap is around 350ppm.

 

[jaggwaa]

oh and the cobs are 3000K
EDIT: PIC added

 

[Lordhooha]

Whenever i try to look at trichomes, i feel dizzy. My head starts spinning. May be thats due to looking through that 60x jewelers loop with one eye. I still want to learn that finished bud look. Some people just look at the bud and tell its ready. I want to be able to do that.

It takes time trust me but for now I’d look into a usb microscope you can get them on amazon for like 16 bucks.

 

[Lordhooha]

View attachment 4216425 oh and the cobs are 3000K
EDIT: PIC added

I asked because for 10 weeks they are severely behind you need more light. How hard can you drive those? I’ve never used those cxa cobs.

 

[jaggwaa]

I asked because for 10 weeks they are severely behind you need more light. How hard can you drive those? I’ve never used those cxa cobs.

The problem is within 1 foot of lights, there is like 80000 to 90000 lux. All those big colas are within 1 feet. I think its the genetics. and the sheer size, all those calyx and not to forget, most of that 10 weeks, temps were above 110F.
Outside temps are still from 90 to 100f, though it cooling fast. winter is already late

 

[jaggwaa]

This run, i want to let them go like that, the organics cabinet, i am running with 10 on 14 off. Considering these long flowering strains. And the next run, i will up the amps . Somewhere i also feel the light is cooler. I mean it not that bright running at half of half power. Another reason, in my previous run, all my top leaves burnt literally crisped when i ran these lights at half power, and temp increased 3 folds.

 

[jaggwaa]

So green crack by hso, they say skunk#1x some afghan special. What i have researched, hso gc has 3 phenos, one of them is like the original skunk no 1, its structure is similar to my buds, and then it turns purple. And mine calyxs are already turning purple. What about those sativas people say takes 15 weeks. Could it be one of them, the other one amherst sour diesel hso says 27%thc. That coming on with same pace. i hve figured i should hve ran them 10-14 from flip. This time these were on 2 strains, but the other cabinet, it has 6 strains. including one this green crack. They are on 10-14. we'll see how they develop. From now on temps are even dropping. I think in a month i'll be have 12c minimum and 25 c maximum. Thats when room temp stays around 20c.

 

[Lordhooha]

The problem is within 1 foot of lights, there is like 80000 to 90000 lux. All those big colas are within 1 feet. I think its the genetics. and the sheer size, all those calyx and not to forget, most of that 10 weeks, temps were above 110F.
Outside temps are still from 90 to 100f, though it cooling fast. winter is already late

you need to get your environment under control. That’s the reason is foxtailing. Where is this grow inside? I mean I hope your house isn’t 90 or 80 degrees. Sounds like you need a bigger space either a tent or build something. My rooms never get past 77-78 degrees.
In a side note I know all about purples I love them mainly for looks. The last purple pheno I ran was very pretty. I’ve posted it countless times as it’s been my favorite. Sounds like

 

[jaggwaa]

you need to get your environment under control. That’s the reason is foxtailing. Where is this grow inside? I mean I hope your house isn’t 90 or 80 degrees. Sounds like you need a bigger space either a tent or build something. My rooms never get past 77-78 degrees.
In a side note I know all about purples I love them mainly for looks. The last purple pheno I ran was very pretty. I’ve posted it countless times as it’s been my favorite. Sounds like

I am just coming out of summer, May 100+ degree, June115+ degree, July110+ degree, Aug 100+ sept 100+
Oct from now on its getting better, right now its my house is at 80. Where i live is one of that places u hear in news, 100 people due to heat wave. 118 in sumers. And it gets better in july with 90% humidity....i wish i could move to canada and sleep in the snow
Iam growing in my wardrobe. All my clothes are on my bed, m still single so i sleep with my clothes.
I actually made a very big cardboard tent with bambo sticks, it was 7 feet high and 8 feet wide, the idea was 2 of 4x4 ft
But i had to disasamble it due to whole house getting new paint. Problems at that time were, it was two big, i used to sit in there, My light at that time was not good for the size of that tent. Chinese purple grow chips, disappointed there,
Second problem i was trying ventilating thru pc fans. And it was just not enough for that big size, even 4 fans coudlnt do it. Why i didnt but a proper system? in my 10th world country where iam from, we lucky people dnt have amazon, ebay and even paypal... thats a way to live
anything you buy online, gets snatched before it reaches you. specially if its a big pakage.
the led drivers iam usind, 10 drivers 900ma for 30 bucks, btw i doubled the light as per your say. added another 105 watts. Now its really bright. I reduced the wattage to save electricity, but if its gonna take 4 weeks extra then i might just double the light right now, ataleast i get my stuff sooner
So back to tent/ box, that was first grow ever, also i realized very soon that one tent is just not enough. Then i decided to go with the wardrobe. The cabinets, 6 feet tall, 3 feet wide and 1.5 feet deep. Two of these. After like one years i have plants in both of them. I want to grow as much as i can because Nov Dec Jan and Feb are the only cold months where outside temps will go from 80 to 50 and back towards 80 in april. May is 90+
Though i had plants all this year and they survived this heat. i have yet to see plants in cold temps.