What do you do for SECURITY in your grow area?

thumper60

thumper60

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
if the feds want any of us, at any time, they know how to get us....i'll worry about them when they're at the door, till then, they're boogermen under the bed
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ya but they want it worth while,guns in a grow=5 yrs fed time don't matter how many plants.if in a legal state say the locals come in for a random plant count and u r under the limit but they find the gun safe?? guess who they will call.
 
Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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thumper60 said:
ip addy my friend.dont look now here comes the feds, LOL guns an growing is a big fucking nono where ever u live!
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Physical security gateway and firewall. If they wanted me they would have gotten me. No worries thanks for the heads up though lol.
 
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GardenParty

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Lordhooha said:
Physical security gateway and firewall. If they wanted me they would have gotten me. No worries thanks for the heads up though lol.
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Isn't that conflating two separate issues? Legal firearms cannot be made illegal by a non-violent "criminal" act. Not saying they don't get away with those kinds of charges, but it's foolish... and any lawyer with any intelligence would get the gun charges dropped unless there was a prior felony conviction that precluded whomever having firearms.

Anyway, dogs, no tell, no smell, no sell.
 
thumper60

thumper60

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GardenParty said:
Isn't that conflating two separate issues? Legal firearms cannot be made illegal by a non-violent "criminal" act. Not saying they don't get away with those kinds of charges, but it's foolish... and any lawyer with any intelligence would get the gun charges dropped unless there was a prior felony conviction that precluded whomever having firearms.

Anyway, dogs, no tell, no smell, no sell.
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we r all fed illegal commiting felonies as we speak toss in some firearms an the sleeping giant might just wake up.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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i agree, why give them any excuses to do anything? law enforcement uses "pretext" all the time, and it's up to you to prove that's what they were doing. they smelled something, they saw something, they heard something, they were told something.....that's usually all they need to kick in your door and do whatever they want....
 
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GardenParty

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i agree, why give them any excuses to do anything? law enforcement uses "pretext" all the time, and it's up to you to prove that's what they were doing. they smelled something, they saw something, they heard something, they were told something.....that's usually all they need to kick in your door and do whatever they want....
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I just don't see how having firearms is any kind of an invitation. Where I live, if you DON'T have firearms it would be really suspicious. It's the 2nd Amendment, after all. Now, the pretexts used to knock down doors and shoot pets are often just on "somebody said something" all the time. But it's still conflating issues if the doors being knocked down don't belong to a convicted felon prevented from having firearms. It's not as though one uses a 22 to commit the felonious growing of a plant.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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GardenParty said:
I just don't see how having firearms is any kind of an invitation. Where I live, if you DON'T have firearms it would be really suspicious. It's the 2nd Amendment, after all. Now, the pretexts used to knock down doors and shoot pets are often just on "somebody said something" all the time. But it's still conflating issues if the doors being knocked down don't belong to a convicted felon prevented from having firearms. It's not as though one uses a 22 to commit the felonious growing of a plant.
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http://www.thekindland.com/policy/ask-a-weed-lawyer-can-i-grow-weed-and-own-768

https://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/news/federal-law-creates-conundrum-for-medical-pot-gun-ownership/article_a49b48f8-b9fe-5fea-b5ef-977ff4b30b71.html

https://www.flkeysnews.com/news/local/article193039509.html

https://www.portlandmercury.com/ask-a-pot-lawyer/2017/11/15/19472681/can-a-cannabis-worker-also-have-a-concealed-handgun-license

still think it's conflating unrelated issues? it's federally illegal to own firearms if you grow OR posses a medical use license.....and many states do not allow it either....so unless you're lucky enough to live in one of the few that do allow it, stfu and don't advertise the fact you own any weapons. just because it's legal doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of law enforcement people who still look down on it, and don't like people who grow or smoke it. why give them any ammunition (literally) to fuck with you?
 
thumper60

thumper60

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GardenParty said:
I just don't see how having firearms is any kind of an invitation. Where I live, if you DON'T have firearms it would be really suspicious. It's the 2nd Amendment, after all. Now, the pretexts used to knock down doors and shoot pets are often just on "somebody said something" all the time. But it's still conflating issues if the doors being knocked down don't belong to a convicted felon prevented from having firearms. It's not as though one uses a 22 to commit the felonious growing of a plant.
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the law reads in possession of a firearm while commiting a felony witch growing anywhere in the usa is in the feds eyes:bigjoint:i met 100s of folk with 5 yr enhancements for that exact charge, I did 3 yrs fed for growing if I had a gun when busted would have been 8-10:cuss:
 
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[QUOTE="Roger A. Shrubber, post: 14562820, member:

still think it's conflating unrelated issues? it's federally illegal to own firearms if you grow OR posses a medical use license.....and many states do not allow it either....so unless you're lucky enough to live in one of the few that do allow it, stfu and don't advertise the fact you own any weapons. just because it's legal doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of law enforcement people who still look down on it, and don't like people who grow or smoke it. why give them any ammunition (literally) to fuck with you?[/QUOTE]

I don't think you should give them any extra ammo to jack with you. And yes, one should never miss a good chance to shut up.

Thanks for the links, Roger the Shrubber! One of my all time favorite movies there. The Tahlequah article and the Kind Land were most helpful to me.

Now, IF it is descheduled on a fed level, there would be no issues unless a State had a specific and independent prohibition.

"Possession of a firearm WHILE committing a felony" is a whole lot different than "using a firearm IN the commission of a felony". Likely to be quite a few more cases as legalization on a state by state level continues. But I wholeheartedly agree that one should "stfu", as it were. The injustice system is still what it is. And I don't think anyone wants to bait the issue and lose a few years trying to get a positive ruling.
 
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ky farmer

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cannetix Inc said:
As the title implies, this thread will focus on all things security.

Tried to find a similar thread but had no luck, so hopefully, this isn't a duplicate. My apologies if it is!

What are some of the tips, tricks, and tools you use to protect your grow space? We're mainly focusing on physical security against things like theft, and law enforcement, as well as any computer/network security measures that may be applicable.


My main security measures are as follows;

-Medeco locks on entrances (I use the Medeco Maxum with the mechanical (m3) cylinder)- Medeco locks are surprisingly expensive, but especially if you live in a rough neighborhood they are, combined with an adequately strong door, one of the best investments you can make. There is a good reason doctors offices and pharmacies trust these locks to protect thousands, even millions of dollars worth of medication. Medico locks with Biaxial or Abloy cores are virtually unpickable, even by your average locksmith. I used to have a Weiser Kevo (I don't remember the particular model) and I had terrible experiences with it. I'm not sure if it was installed incorrectly, however, the lock broke allowing it to be unlocked by forcibly twisting the entire housing!

-Carbon Filters for odor - This is nothing new, I'm sure everyone in these forums is well aware of the need to control odors. I will, however, provide a good recommendation. Alen HEPA-Silver-Carbon filters, although relatively costly, work wonders for reducing odor just like any Carbon filter and have the added benefit of reducing dust, mold and bacteria spores in the air which reduces plant disease risk. All of my indoor setups use these filters. They last for about one crop rotation before their odor reducing qualities start to become less effective.

-Motion detector lighting - This is one of the cheapest and most proven effective methods for protecting against break-ins. Break-ins are most common in properties in which visibility of the entrance is low ie. those with lots of dense shrubs/trees and limited lighting. I prefer bright LED flood-lights.

-Full Disk Encryption Including Boot Encryption with LUKS (and other computer/network security measures) - Done to protect detailed information about my growing practices as well as work-related information. LUKS is an open-source disk encryption utility for Unix operating systems that uses AES-256 encryption that includes the boot partition. Despite common misconception, the advent of quantum computing doesn't make encryption "useless" (symmetric encryption schemes are "quantum resistant"). Done right - it works - and one of the only ways to bypass properly implemented encryption is by exploiting user error. I also use a mobile Bluetooth based 2-factor authentication utility for system login, and Bleachbit (yes, the same Bleachbit infamously used in the Clinton email scandal), which is a free but effective software that securely deletes and overwrites sensitive information on physical media. I run a well-updated version of Linux Mint Cinnamon Edition and used only a wired Internet connection (although good wireless encryption is sufficient in my opinion). I only use one browser addon for security, and that is the No-Script Suite Lite utility, which blocks all scripts from running on any website that you have not previously visited and whitelisted with the exception of well-trusted sites ie. Google. It takes a while to get used to the constant whitelisting but once you do it's honestly pretty user-friendly. I wouldn't recommend any other security addon for Chrome or Firefox, but whitelisting is a technique that is proven to be effective because by nature it does not rely on having to recognize or detect malicious code/malware.

-GFCI Outlets or AFCI Protection- less of a security practice and more of a safety practice, I always recommend using GFCI outlets for indoor growing, especially hydroponics, if not complete AFCI protection. Even with quality equipment that is unlikely to fail, current leaks and especially arcs can lead to electrical fires if the leak is not detected and the supply of electricity cut off. Insurance companies don't like to hear that you burned your house down producing what may be a controlled substance in your area. Say goodbye to your coverage and hello to bankruptcy! GFCIs are not intended to prevent electrical fires, but they can prevent some electrical fires, primarily those caused by physical damage to energized cables, one of the more likely sources of an arc in a grow-room or hydroponics system.

What are some of the tips, tricks, and tools you use to protect your grow space?​
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If you talk about stuff like that on the weeb its not very smart, for the law I know reads pot growing web sites and by posting this shit it just lets them know to much about what you have.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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i didn't mean to imply that this was a method used by drug cartels. i'm pretty sure i said when i was a kid, a guy would set up at the mall......
and i was trying to suggest that it would be a good method for a small time grower to use, just buy some cheap ass crap, and throw it all in a box with a couple of cans of "sliced peaches"....
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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For security there is no substitute for shutting your fucking mouth.
I know how unutterably cool your garden is, but don't utter it to anyone, anywhere, ever.
People talk, and people who promise not to talk are fucking liars.
Don't tell anyone, and they won't tell anyone else.
 
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