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Lucky Luke

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LMAO!!!

You have all total in all three farms combined only 115 wind turbines. That's what typically qualifies as one wind farm.

There are roughly half a million people in Tasmania. Those three rinky-dink little farms took 50,000 people off the grid.

Think about that. Hard.
what would you like me to think bout? How we already have enough clean, carbon free power to not only supply ourselves but to also sell power to the mainland? Or how we are still dabbling in other green technology?
 

TacoMac

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Just one wind turbine takes about 450 people off the grid.

One of those cost about 2.8 million dollars.

The life expectancy of a wind turbine is about 25 years.

That comes to $112,000 per year cost divided by 450 people comes to $248.89 per person per year.

My power bill is more than that each month. There is no cheaper form of power on earth.

But do keep hating it for whatever fucked up reason.
 

Budley Doright

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Just one wind turbine takes about 450 people off the grid.

One of those cost about 2.8 million dollars.

The life expectancy of a wind turbine is about 25 years.

That comes to $112,000 per year cost divided by 450 people comes to $248.89 per person per year.

My power bill is more than that each month. There is no cheaper form of power on earth.

But do keep hating it for whatever fucked up reason.
Who’s hating? You guys seem to have a comprehension problem.
 

TacoMac

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It's you with the reading problem.

He has clearly stated that he hates wind farms because he thinks they don't generate a lot of power, make too much noise, and other forms of green energy are better and cheaper.

He is of course completely wrong...other than the noise if you live near them.
 

Budley Doright

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I guess I’m seeing it different, I’m seeing he’s saying they don’t need any more windfarms to produce clean power. If they are exporting it why the need for more. I too have misgivings about them, you going to jump on that as “I hate them” because that would be wrong, but go ahead, jump. There are more issues than noise that have already been mentioned. As for providing cheap power, well I do know that the producers here do get a premium feed in rate. They were given that to generate interest and construction, eventually that premium will have to be paid, see Ontario’s debt deferred policy. It just seems like there is a pile of anger here when it’s basically a discussion. Ya it’s different than sitting at a table I guess. Consequences are a bit higher lol.
 

Budley Doright

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about as far as a ICE car on a tank of gas...
I know there a tad pricey but they would work for me as a second car if I could afford one :(. I wouldn’t drive much more than 200 miles (Montreal, Toronto) in a car. If more than that I’d use my truck and camper, I like lay down naps lol. They can go 200 right? With the air on right lol.
 

doublejj

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I know there a tad pricey but they would work for me as a second car if I could afford one :(. I wouldn’t drive much more than 200 miles (Montreal, Toronto) in a car. If more than that I’d use my truck and camper, I like lay down naps lol. They can go 200 right? With the air on right lol.
There is a Tesla owner in NorCal that rents a garage in San Francisco and lives in his car during the week and it drives him home on the weekends. Rents are high in Frisco...
 

Lucky Luke

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It's you with the reading problem.

He has clearly stated that he hates wind farms because he thinks they don't generate a lot of power, make too much noise, and other forms of green energy are better and cheaper.

He is of course completely wrong...other than the noise if you live near them.
no im not.
I don't hate them at all. Im not a huge fan of them. We certainly don't need them and to power the whole state on them would mean chopping down forests or disrupting cropping land as our population sees approx. 4 times its number in tourists every year (Chinese visitors are up 40%) so it has to supply enough power for say 2.5 million people and grow at say 5 -10% a year to cover extra tourists, population growth and more power devices like battery cars. I've stated a business that uses one (and supplied a link) and think its great. I wouldn't like to live near one as I find them ugly and the blades are noisy.
Hydro is better. For us anyway. Provides us with more than enough power- so much so that we export it but are looking at ways to get more power from the same infrastructure. I also mentioned tidal and wave but lets cherry pick eh?
I think its a smart route to take. Invest and experiment in green power along with interest free loans for households to fit solar panels etc to their homes. Which is a win/win. Using tax payer funds to give back to tax payers to invest in saving money on their power bills whilst selling available power back to the mainland is a sound business sense. (even though im also not a fan of how its sold back at times)
 
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Fogdog

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Just one wind turbine takes about 450 people off the grid.

One of those cost about 2.8 million dollars.

The life expectancy of a wind turbine is about 25 years.

That comes to $112,000 per year cost divided by 450 people comes to $248.89 per person per year.

My power bill is more than that each month. There is no cheaper form of power on earth.

But do keep hating it for whatever fucked up reason.
Only 20% of the total energy is consumed in the US for residential uses. The most believable energy scenarios that I've seen put wind contributing between 5% and 10% of the total in a non-fossil fuel energy grid. The highest numbers I've seen put wind a 20% of the total.

I don't know where other people are getting their levelized* cost of electricity. Wikipedia has a good article on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

According to the US government's numbers, onshore wind power is far less costly than photo-voltaic, much cheaper than coal and competitive with natural gas. This would make the case for building wind power farms even if it can only meet a fraction of our needs. That said, there is something screwy about their report because "advanced nuclear", which they say is cheap, doesn't even exist in commercial form right now. You know what they say about liars and numbers.

Source: Energy Information Administration's (EIA) Annual Energy Outlook released in 2015 (AEO2015). They are in dollars per megawatt-hour (2013 USD/MWh).




*The levelized cost of electricity (LCOE), also known as Levelized Energy Cost (LEC), is a first-order economic assessment of the cost competitiveness of an electricity-generating system that incorporates all costs over its lifetime: initial investment, operations and maintenance, cost of fuel, cost of capital.
 
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Budley Doright

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Only 20% of the total energy is consumed in the US for residential uses. The most believable energy scenarios that I've seen put wind contributing between 5% and 10% of the total in a non-fossil fuel energy grid. The highest numbers I've seen put wind a 20% of the total.

I don't know where other people are getting their levelized* cost of electricity. Wikipedia has a good article on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

According to the US government's numbers, onshore wind power is far less costly than photo-voltaic, much cheaper than coal and competitive with natural gas. This would make the case for building wind power farms even if it can only meet a fraction of our needs. That said, there is something screwy about their report because "advanced nuclear", which they say is cheap, doesn't even exist in commercial form right now. You know what they say about liars and numbers.

Source: Energy Information Administration's (EIA) Annual Energy Outlook released in 2015 (AEO2015). They are in dollars per megawatt-hour (2013 USD/MWh).




*The levelized cost of electricity (LCOE), also known as Levelized Energy Cost (LEC), is a first-order economic assessment of the cost competitiveness of an electricity-generating system that incorporates all costs over its lifetime: initial investment, operations and maintenance, cost of fuel, cost of capital.
I am a real proponent of geo tech (I think I said that lol) but it too has a few environmental issues. But with out subsidies geo is out of reach for most home owners. Community loop fields are now being offered in a few communities here and that is reducing capital costs per home/business. Actually was at one today that went down :(.
 

Fogdog

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Looks a bit more comfy than the 71 Ventura I lived in for a bit at 17 lol. Had to take a job that had a shower room ;).
I lived out of my VW beetle for a while. Having a garage roof over my head would have been nice at the time. The thing is though, I didn't plan on living out of my car, I had a path forward that got me into an apartment and it wasn't for long. What's going down in SF, where people with good paying jobs can't afford a home is something else altogether.
 

Rob Roy

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I lived out of my VW beetle for a while. Having a garage roof over my head would have been nice at the time. The thing is though, I didn't plan on living out of my car, I had a path forward that got me into an apartment and it wasn't for long. What's going down in SF, where people with good paying jobs can't afford a home is something else altogether.

 

schuylaar

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I lived out of my VW beetle for a while. Having a garage roof over my head would have been nice at the time. The thing is though, I didn't plan on living out of my car, I had a path forward that got me into an apartment and it wasn't for long. What's going down in SF, where people with good paying jobs can't afford a home is something else altogether.
+honesty rep:hug:
 
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