Advance Nutrients help

[Renfro]

i think imma go try GH see how that fairs compared to the fox farm stuff then maybe later i will fuck with AN base nutes cheaper alternative to experiment with a new line

Fantastic idea!

I use their three part flora series, calimagic and armor si. When I ran advanced nutrients the cost was way higher than a run on GH. I still use Advanced B52 though, it's pretty much the only thing out there like that.

 

[Lethidox]

Fantastic idea!

I use their three part flora series, calimagic and armor si. When I ran advanced nutrients the cost was way higher than a run on GH. I still use Advanced B52 though, it's pretty much the only thing out there like that.

i currently don't use cal mag or silicone that i know of i think their is some silicate in grow big though not sure. this that is what is holding me back is not using cal mag and possibly silica. i dont run RO water though i run either tap water; but mostly rain water. PH is fine alone around 6.3 mixed in with nutes so far. would you suggest running cal mag for me in soil or not needed?

also do you run the bloom in veg state as well i was watching this guys video he says he runs all 3 nutes in veg which to me is weird i've never heard someone running bloom nutes in veg but he adds a small amount. he didn't show any grows though

 

[Pa-Nature]

i think imma go try GH see how that fairs compared to the fox farm stuff then maybe later i will fuck with AN base nutes cheaper alternative to experiment with a new line

Good going............... happy growing

 

[Lethidox]

Good going............... happy growing

thanks you too. i mean the price point is just what killing it for me. and with my skills shit even if the product is that good my plants prolly wont end up as good as the product XD so it gives me time to learn more on growing and getting better before heavily investing in the nute game.

 

[Renfro]

The plants will tell you is you need any extra magnesium. You may be fine without it.

The balance of the nutrients in the mix changes. Their label formula is a good starting place. You use less bloom in veg and less grow in flower.

 

[Lethidox]

The plants will tell you is you need any extra magnesium. You may be fine without it.

The balance of the nutrients in the mix changes. Their label formula is a good starting place. You use less bloom in veg and less grow in flower.

yea i figured i dont need cal mag but imma read up more on it i dont think i need it though. silica possibly will help me out a little better. i usually just follow the fox farm feeding schedule doesn't call for the bloom nutes at all in veg i believe which is whjy i find it weird on why he is using bloom nutes in veg.

im debating on using soiless vs soil though would you recommend cal mag if i run soiless? only difference between the two for me would be i get to actually feed in soiless faster versus the soil brand i intend to use which has about a 3-4 week nutrient feed

 

[Renfro]

Id recommend calmag if you run RO water. I dislike soil because its a guessing game at some point as to how much N-P-K ratio is left and how to feed to make things right. I like soiless because I feed what I want them to have and thats it.

 

[Lethidox]

Id recommend calmag if you run RO water. I dislike soil because its a guessing game at some point as to how much N-P-K ratio is left and how to feed to make things right. I like soiless because I feed what I want them to have and thats it.

thanks i guess ill skip the calmag then and run soiless as i too hate the guessing game.

 

[Renfro]

Check out Berger BM6 HP. Best soiless mix I've used and cheap.

 

[diggs99]

You could also have a lockout condition where your plants are not 'seeing' the nutrients, yet your PPM is under the threshold for creating an osmotic diuresis

not sure i am understanding this, could you elaborate?
maybe explain it like your talking to a kid? lol

how would i know if i have lockout situation? Something to look for? something to check?

Only reason i went with lucas method was ease and keeping it simple, would love to hear any reasons or concerns about it. As far as i can tell, the plants are enjoying it.

 

[gwheels]

to add to the above,

i have also been ramping up to 8ml, began at 2ml/g...then 5ml/g etc

so maybe that could have also helped with the hotness?

So not the true Lucas formula i guess, a variation of it lol

It was later in flower i had the problem and i was using the 9/6 version for coco and it was still to hot. I think there is not a lot wrong with trio and most of the time you really need half strength.

They did look great until they started having problems

I did use 5mil of armorsi and 10 to 15ml of calmagic (coco with RO water) and then added the 9/6 (silica has to go first then stir then calmagic then stir then micro then bloom).

But if it is to save a but of grow formula it is pretty silly. You use so very little of it in relation to the others.

Silica helps toughen the stalks and make the plant more resilient when you are bending and cropping it. 1 quart lasts a long time when its 1 mil per gallon (1 tsp per 5 gallon bottle).

 

[diggs99]

Is this the same as the 2 part floranova series? Grow and bloom?

Lucas is using only bloom at 8ml/g

I grew in ffof and didn't use any nutes until last week of veg. Day 47 from seed.

I tried using earlier but got slight N tox, assuming the soil was still doing its thing.

I notice you mentioned 3 part

I too am giving amor si during non nute feedings.

I didn't choose this method to save money , only reason I chose Lucas formula was because it was the simplest 1 part feed. Even a newb like me couldn't mess that up lol

 

[gwheels]

Lucas formula is trio without the grow (green) bottle. The premise being there is enough in micro and bloom to go full grow.

I just think there are cheaper and just as easy alternatives (mega crop and maxi bloom are powders that go further for the buck and work as well or better).

 

[diggs99]

Yes I seen the trio but that's not what I am using

I am using just floranova bloom

I guess it's an modfied version to use with the floranova series. Not the trio

Got all the info from a thread on this site. I just searched Lucas formula floranova

Cost me 27.00cad for a bottle and will prob get 2 grows out of it.

Will def have a look at those you mentioned tho, I have seen those names thrown around before, they must be decent.

 

[Lordhooha]

LOL I'd argue with you since I use GH 3 part Flora series ha ha. Essentially there are many ways to skin a cat.

True but simple is always better thus why I mainly build my own soil

 

[Thundercat]

So I meant to drop this link in here the other day. https://www.envybrand.com/index.php/envy-hydroponics

This is what I'm using currently and all I plan to use going forward. I've used mostly GH the whole time I've grown. I tried fox farms and almost bought some advanced at one point but couldn't bring myself to spend the money.

I've tried all the GH lines, and had been using floranova the last 4ish years. GH is great.

About 6-7 years ago I got a sample of this Envy from a shop. I used it on one crop and it worked great. Sadly I couldn't get it without ordering it for many years and I don't order grow supplies to my house. Recently I got another option so I'm totally back to using the Envy because it fucking awesome!!

It's a simple 2 part. Normally you just add equal parts of both bottles through the whole life of the plant. You can increase concentrations as the plant needs more through its life, but the ratio of nutrients in the Envy seems to be just right.
Edit: it doesn't precipitate!

I encourage everyone to give Envy a try. It's not geared towards weed growers so it's not over priced. It mixes quick and easily without leaving residue in my resivoir or grow tray. It also goes a pretty long ways.

It can be used in any growing style from what the website says. It's labeled as a hydro nutrient but has usage guidelines for soil and soiless. I've only used it in hydro but the crops I've grown with it have been some of the tastiest nicest plants I've grown.

 

[curious2garden]

not sure i am understanding this, could you elaborate?
maybe explain it like your talking to a kid? lol

how would i know if i have lockout situation? Something to look for? something to check?

Only reason i went with lucas method was ease and keeping it simple, would love to hear any reasons or concerns about it. As far as i can tell, the plants are enjoying it.

I'm saying it is possible you could be over feeding but with a partial lockout condition (pH or other reason) concomitantly if your solution is not concentrated enough to be leaching from the plants themselves (osmotic diuresis) you don't see it.

For example, I had a friend who was feeding his C99 crop a massive amount of nutrients. He was discussing what heavy feeders they were and I was sure they were in a lockout mode and he was virtually shouting at them with nutrients to get them across the lockout. But had not yet achieved the point of concentration that would actually injure the plants.

Osmotic pressure gradient is a good thing to understand, right up there with VPD.

 

[cannabineer]

I think the base nutrients of advanced is a 3 part, micro, grow and bloom. Where you add micro all through with grow then switch to bloom. Then you have various tiers to sucker in the ego. More bottles the bigger the ego!!

It will all grow but you don't need anything outside a good base nutrient.
Pick a simple two part base nutrient and forget about wasting lots of money.
Expensive bottles don't improve your yields, keeping things simple and plants healthy and environment in check will do far more for the quality and quantity of your buds.
Less is usually more and many new folks fall into the trap of thinking adding more than recommended will get you bigger or better buds but it doesn't, usually using less than recommended results in a far healthier plant.

There are two cardinal advantages to having a 3-part nutrient solution.

1) Some of the ions the plant needs are not compatible with others except in high dilution (ready nutrient solution). This makes it impossible to have a true 1-bottle nutrient, and the 2-bottle formulations I've seen are very prone to throwing phosphatic precipitates. Three parts is the sweet spot wherein one can formulate effective, stable concentrated solutions of the nutrient salts.

2) Having the N and K essentially separate makes for easy configuration of that one set of three bottles for veg, transition and bloom. It also allows the experienced user to fine-tune major nutrient ratios in response to plant health or vigor.
In GH 3-part, most of the K is in Grow, the N is largely in Micro (the red one) and Bloom is where almost all the P is found. This makes it easy to tweak one's formula along these three axes.

The 3-part is really a 4-part when I consider our local water. The fourth component is Cal-Mag, since Ca and Mg are the likeliest to deposit minerals that won't go back into solution.

 

[curious2garden]

True but simple is always better thus why I mainly build my own soil

Simple is only better when it is sufficient to the task. Our different growing methods require different inputs. Hence why there is no one simple answer. Usually the correct answer for the grow forums is, "It depends."

I'm full hydro in a coco substrate. I look at what is required to build my own soil and I'd much rather purchase a few bottles and not destroy my manicure.

 

[diggs99]

I'm saying it is possible you could be over feeding but with a partial lockout condition (pH or other reason) concomitantly if your solution is not concentrated enough to be leaching from the plants themselves (osmotic diuresis) you don't see it.

For example, I had a friend who was feeding his C99 crop a massive amount of nutrients. He was discussing what heavy feeders they were and I was sure they were in a lockout mode and he was virtually shouting at them with nutrients to get them across the lockout. But had not yet achieved the point of concentration that would actually injure the plants.

Osmotic pressure gradient is a good thing to understand, right up there with VPD.

Ok i think i get what your saying, something to def watch out for in the future.

as of now, i doubt its possible mine are overfed, they have only taken nutes(floranova bloom) 3 times in their life, 2ml/g 3ml/g and then 5ml/g with a bunch of ph water feedings in between.

Like i said, more of a variation/abomination of the lucas formula lol

the first 2ml feed was given to them back on Dec 20th/ day30 veg, immediately after the plants started showing slight N tox, i assume the FFOF still had lots of good stuff left in it at that point. They never took another nute feed until Jan 5th Day 46 veg which was 3ml/g...I flipped them on Jan 6th.

Yesterday Jan 14th they took 5ml/g Day 7 flower

As of now i think they look fine, obviously im new, so there could be something you more expierenced growers may see, that i do not.