I'm voting for McCain....
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Oh yeah you did,lol! And trust me, you may not know when it is up, but everybody else sure will
All joking aside though, we need to consider that death is a re-occuring theme from one moment to the next. Wrong forum for this conversation though.Unity
So true!
The responsibility lies with all of us, but to a larger degree with scientists unwilling to self-regulate their advances as to retard their progress in order for social evolution to take place that would be required in order to deal with these advances in a responsible way. In other words, science has out paced social consciousness, especially in a global marketplace. I don't give a guy that can barely dream up a machete, a automatic weapon, get were I'm going with this? Our righties will not like this idea, it seriously messes with the 'free market' principals
TheBrutalTruth
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This coming from the person who wants to censor what others can say.Good God!
People, live a little! When your number is up, it's up
Makes me think he thinks free speech is okay as long as its espousing views he believes.
TheBrutalTruth
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Can you try restating that with some logic and coherency instead of rambling on like an outboard motor.So true!
The responsibility lies with all of us, but to a larger degree with scientists unwilling to self-regulate their advances as to retard their progress in order for social evolution to take place that would be required in order to deal with these advances in a responsible way. In other words, science has out paced social consciousness, especially in a global marketplace. I don't give a guy that can barely dream up a machete, a automatic weapon, get were I'm going with this? Our righties will not like this idea, it seriously messes with the 'free market' principals
Hey, go fuck they self TBT! My comments require an IQ above room temperature, which you have clearly never experienced.
Kisses
And I'm the one who is not coherent, huh? I remember my 'free speech' rant, do you TBT?
Btw, you are still just a pussy cat
Oh hush, tbt is a big guy! If tbt would not want my shit flying his way I'm sure he would not push his my way first
Just because I'm a liberal does not mean that I will tug my tail in mate, that's a misconception of the right!
UNITY is a goal! It is self evident that it is not a present condition in our world. Right Dfunk?
Btw, I like that mini plant
I got one too!
TheBrutalTruth
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If Unity is the goal of the left why are they always the first to divide us by race, income level, gender, sex, sexual preference, disability, etc.?Oh hush, tbt is a big guy! If tbt would not want my shit flying his way I'm sure he would not push his my way first
Just because I'm a liberal does not mean that I will tug my tail in mate, that's a misconception of the right!
UNITY is a goal! It is self evident that it is not a present condition in our world. Right Dfunk?
I don't know what the left is up to most of the time, I'm not a 'typical' left guy. I don't think that the 'left' is concerned about unity, as a whole I think they are more into 'fairness' and helping those who can not help themselves. A lot of times I do not agree with their methods since I consider them as dis-empowering the mind due to their focus on the symptom level rather then the underlying causes.
My motivations are not rooted in politics TBT, I am a firm believer that thought precedes matter in ALL instances, therefore I see all battles as internal battles. I'm being completely honest with you here!
Unity (my aspirations)
Leilani Garden
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I'm voting for Obama for several reasons, one of which has been the twisting of scientific data by the current administration during its disastrous reign.
See here and here and here:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0219-02.htm
NOTE: this is in the Common Dreams archives, but it is a Knight-Ridder article. KR is one of the more reliable print news outlets.
The report charges that administration officials have:
Ordered massive changes to a section on global warming in the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's 2003 Report on the Environment. Eventually, the entire section was dropped.
Replaced a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention fact sheet on proper condom use with a warning emphasizing condom failure rates.
Ignored advice from top Department of Energy nuclear materials experts who cautioned that aluminum tubes being imported by Iraq weren't suitable for use to make nuclear weapons.
Established political litmus tests for scientific advisory boards. In one case, public health experts were removed from a CDC lead paint advisory panel and replaced with researchers who had financial ties to the lead industry.
Suppressed a U.S. Department of Agriculture microbiologist's finding that potentially harmful bacteria float in the air surrounding large hog farms.
Excluded scientists who've received federal grants from regulatory advisory panels while permitting the appointment of scientists from regulated industries.
"I don't recall it ever being so blatant in the past," said Princeton University physicist Val Fitch, a 1980 Nobel Prize winner who served on a Nixon administration science advisory committee. "It's just time after time after time. The facts have been distorted."
And these from the Union of Concerned Scientists:
USDA Biotech Regulations Could Allow Drugs in Food | Union of Concerned Scientists
The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) today denounced newly proposed U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) rules governing genetically engineered crops, including food crops engineered to produce pharmaceutical and industrial products. The proposed rules, UCS charged, would not protect the U.S. food supply from potential contamination by drugs from "pharma" crops, and could allow drugs that it deems "safe" to enter the food supply. This contamination could occur through cross-pollination or seed mixing between pharma food crops and crops intended for consumption.
Nuclear Power | Union of Concerned Scientists
UCS continues to be vigilant in monitoring the performance of nuclear plants and their regulators—the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. We continue to find and expose safety and security problems at individual plants, in industry standards, and in the failure of regulators to take effective action. We analyze the problems and propose solutions. We file formal petitions to the NRC, testify before Congress, and provide technical assistance to groups of citizens living near nuclear plants.
Nuclear Power | Union of Concerned Scientists
Nuclear Power Information Tracker
Nuclear Power Information Tracker is an interactive map that allows users to search for safety issues at U.S. nuclear power plants and get in-depth information about each reactor, including past and present safety issues, UCS letters to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), and testimony to Congress.
Recent successes in Nuclear Power include:
Curtailing the Bush administration’s dangerous nuclear reprocessing plan
Bringing critical facts to the debate about nuclear power and global warming
Enhancing the public’s access to information about power plant safety
Read more
And this from NRDC
NRDC: Bad Science and the Bush Record
The White House's favored tactics include misinterpreting information, ignoring scientific evidence, muzzling government scientists, censoring government studies, removing independent experts from federal advisory panels or stacking those panels with industry consultants. These tactics not only override basic environmental protections in favor of industry, but also undermines the authority of science itself.
More from NRDC
NRDC: Hard Job of Blowing the Whistle Gets Harder by Mark Clayton
It was never easy to be a whistle-blower -- and some say it may be getting tougher. Just ask George Zeliger. Nearly four years ago the quality-control expert warned his employer, the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection, that the state's new auto emissions test was grossly inaccurate. He was ignored. When he objected that the test was harming air quality and public health, he was cut from the program. After he went public, sharing key documents with the state inspector general and news media, the atmosphere at his workplace changed. His schedule was micromanaged; colleagues began sending him sarcastic e-mails and job ads, he recalls. Finally, this past September, the Russian-trained mathematician and statistics whiz was ordered to spend much of his day photocopying, stapling reports, and stuffing envelopes.
And then of course, there is the issue of stem cell research. Makes my blood boil. The first time our "decider" decided to veto something, it was to please the religious right on the issue of stem cell research.
CNN.com - Bush vetoes embryonic stem-cell bill - Sep 4, 2006
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush used his veto power Wednesday for the first time since taking office 5 1/2 years ago, saying that an embryonic stem-cell research bill "crossed a moral boundary."
The bill, which the Senate passed Tuesday, 63-37, would have loosened the restrictions on federal funding for stem-cell research.
House Republican leaders tried Wednesday evening to override the veto, but that vote was 235 to 193, short of the necessary two-thirds majority.
"This bill would support the taking of innocent human life in the hope of finding medical benefits for others," Bush said Wednesday afternoon. "It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect. So I vetoed it." (Watch as Bush says the bill 'crosses a moral boundary' -- 2:04)
What nerve that underlined section takes. NO ONE, not one single living human being with any valid or reliable credentials, can say exactly when a zygote becomes a human being.
Oh no, no, no--don't come crawling out of the woodwork, any of you anti-choice folks, to tell me that human life begins at the moment of conception. That is a matter of faith, not FACT. You cannot prove it.
We have the potential to start work on cures and treatments for horrifying ailments via stem cell technology, but the religious right and the republican party are so wrapped in bed together that we've squandered precious time and resources, while other countries like Korea, etc, have already left us in their dust regarding stem cell research.
There's more, tons more, Brutal Truth, about BushCo and the distortion of science that has left me sickened by what the republican party has become. For that reason, McCain is on the wrong side of the fence for me. He's become yet another rubber-stamper. If he's still calling himself a republican, no way would I vote for him. Science is the answer, and he's on the wrong team for that.
I also checked out the White House's science section (or whatever it's called) and the pdf from there shows nothing regarding missile defense and meteorites. Somehow I lost that window, but I'll try to find it post it here.
Here it is: http://www.ostp.gov/galleries/NSTC Reports/SDR Implementation Plans.pdf
Leilani Garden
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Leilani Garden
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So true!
The responsibility lies with all of us, but to a larger degree with scientists unwilling to self-regulate their advances as to retard their progress in order for social evolution to take place that would be required in order to deal with these advances in a responsible way. In other words, science has out paced social consciousness, especially in a global marketplace. I don't give a guy that can barely dream up a machete, a automatic weapon, get were I'm going with this? Our righties will not like this idea, it seriously messes with the 'free market' principals
I don't quite follow you. Since you've mentioned science, I'm interested in what your post here means, if you would. Thanks.
OK, fair enough.
What I meant was this:
I think that the ability to 'invent or unlock' knowledge goes hand in hand with the awareness of consequence that may result from the new found 'invention/knowledge. Meaning, a guy that invents a gun has a different relationship with it then a guy that can only marvel at it. For example, The man behind the science of the a-bomb would most likely never have dropped it.
My overall point though is that I am noticing a bigger and bigger gap between science and and the necessary maturity required in order to use this science in a responsible conscious way, especially in a global marketplace.
Or in more blunt terms: I do not believe in trading dangerous technology with people that can barely wipe their ass as of yet.
Man, I do have a hard time putting this in words
TheBrutalTruth
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I suspect you are, and that I can respect (I also respect people that aren't afraid to engage in some name calling and giving honest/truthful answers.)
Though, I'm just a bit curious.
What do you think are the underlying causes of our society's problems?
TheBrutalTruth
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Yeah, I think that sums it up, Oppenheimer did remark, "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."OK, fair enough.
What I meant was this:
I think that the ability to 'invent or unlock' knowledge goes hand in hand with the awareness of consequence that may result from the new found 'invention/knowledge. Meaning, a guy that invents a gun has a different relationship with it then a guy that can only marvel at it. For example, The man behind the science of the a-bomb would most likely never have dropped it.
My overall point though is that I am noticing a bigger and bigger gap between science and and the necessary maturity required in order to use this science in a responsible conscious way, especially in a global marketplace.
Or in more blunt terms: I do not believe in trading dangerous technology with people that can barely wipe their ass as of yet.
Man, I do have a hard time putting this in words
But, at the same time, how will we ever learn the dangers of the technology, with out using it?
TheBrutalTruth
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Obama - Attacks the "Rich"
Separating the poor from the "Rich"
Obama - Attacks Corporations, never mind that a lot of people work for those Corporations.
Separating Small Businesses, Medium Businesses (which can easily net over his retarded $250K Limit) from Corporations, a totally arbitrary and artificial distinction.
Obama - Attacks Religion, thus dividing the nation by religion.
Obama - Attempts to appeal to the Whites, Mexicans and the Blacks with separate and different messages, because he wouldn't be able to convince all three to vote for him with the same message.
Obama - Keeps on harping on and on about Teachers (who are pro-union), and about the Big 3 (who are also largely union ran)
and thus separates them out from non-union workers, and (in the case of teachers) non-goverment workers. (Teachers are a piss poor example of Middle America, and the working middle class, IMO, which would be more like retail employees, fast food workers, and etc. A teacher making $35K is in the top 50% of the Income Bracket, barely, but still there.)
This isn't limited to just Obama, but he provides a convenient example, because it's probably fresh in people's minds right now.
Whereas if you listen to John McCain he focuses on not just one or two groups, but all of America. He doesn't mention any group in specific, he mentions everyone.
(There are exceptions, such as the fact that neither of those two assclowns mention a damn thing about single and unmarried people who are the ones that are getting raped to pay for this idiotic socialist largesse.)
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