Scientists say nanotechnology in cannabis needs cautious approach, more research

gb123

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A Toronto cannabis firm is urging consumers to by wary of potential health risks in pot edibles and medicines that use nanotechnology, while at the same time unveiling a competitive product.

Trait Biosciences has developed technology to transform fat-based cannabinoids into water-soluble cannabinoids, which can then be produced commercially for food, beverages and nutraceuticals. It is set to unveil its cannabinoid products, in liquid and powder form, on Monday in California.

Meantime, several cannabis firms and labs have instead been pursuing nanotechnology as a means to infuse products with cannabinoids.

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Trait uses glycosylation, which adds a sugar molecule to a cannabinoid molecule to make it water-soluble. The firm says its products affect people’s bodies faster than fat-based cannabinoids, and have increased stability, quality assurance and product shelf life.

Nanotechnology, on the other hand, produces tiny cannabinoid particles that are smaller than 200 nanometres (a strand of human hair is about 75,000 nanometres wide) to increase their bioavailability in the human body. The technology is already used in some food and drugs.

But Trait says consumers need to inform themselves about the potential risk of nanoparticles in cannabis products, particularly given that edibles and drinks are expected to hit Canada’s legal market this fall.

Dr. Richard Sayre, chief scientific officer at Trait, said his primary concern is the potential for non-target effects.

“Nanoparticles can permeate into many different types of tissues and you can’t really control that,” he said.

Sayre said he’s also concerned about the accumulation of emulsification agents. Nanotechnology works in drug delivery but hasn’t been used at a consumer scale where people are consuming large amounts of material over many days, he said.

An OECD report on opportunities and risks with nanotechnologies outlines some of the uncertainties with the technology, warning that it is unclear whether nanoparticles can pass from a pregnant woman’s body into an unborn child.

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As well, “it is possible that durable, biopersistent nanoparticles may accumulate in the body, in particular in the lungs, in the brain and in the liver,” according to the report.

Ronan Levy, chief strategy officer at Trait Biosciences, said he understands why other firms are using nanotechnology, which allows them to put oil-based cannabinoids into drinks that won’t separate into layers like salad dressing.

But for most people using cannabis for recreational and wellness purposes, there’s no reason for them to risk putting nanoparticles into their bodies, he said.

“Especially when there are technologies like ours that deliver all the benefits of nanotechnology,” he said.

Dr. Anubhav Pratap Singh, assistant professor at the Faculty of Land and Food Systems at the University of B.C., agreed that people should be aware of potential risks of ingesting nanoparticles, particularly in the sub-100 nanometre range.

Singh, who is researching nano-encapsulation and nano-emulsions, said that at one or two nanometres, nanoparticles can potentially enter the human cell and accumulate in organs if not excreted properly, he said.

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“It should require more clinical trials,” Singh said. “There are no regulations around this right now because all of this is in such a state of infancy. In my opinion, I think it should require more rigorous testing if the size is below 50 or 20 nanometres.”

While Health Canada will regulate cannabis edibles, Singh said it is unclear whether the agency intends to or will be able to specifically regulate the use of cannabinoid nanoparticles within those products.

“The problem is that it is too tough to define,” Singh said. “It could be particles, emulsions or liquids. There are so many forms that it is tough to have a single regulation which can cover all of them.”

Health Canada did not return a request for comment before deadline.

Employment and Social Development Canada has identified nano-materials as an emerging occupational hazard, warning: “Although little human data is available on the potential health effects of nanoparticle exposure, existing literature has drawn a causal relationship between nanoparticle exposure and adverse health effects.

But despite the concerns being raised, Singh said consumers should be more concerned about whether a product is being manufactured safely, than whether it uses nanoparticles.

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“The microbial safety, the chemical safety, the toxicological safety of the product itself is more of a concern,” he said.
 

gb123

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Yuck...stop fucking up what already is perfect you stupid greed bags.
This kinda shit is all about CORNERING A MARKET..:idea::hump::finger:


PPPPPHHHHHTTTTT(:

Lets see the fucks try, like all the fucking rest of the wanna bes..they ll figure it out fast enough
when they HAVE NO SALES 8):blsmoke:
 

odam2k

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I would think that in 10 or 15 years, there will be a lot less of us, people used to the old system, and aware of the amazing genetics out there. Those who use pot will be much like most people today when it comes to liquor. You go into the liquor store, pick from their selection, and buy that. You take it home, consume it, you're happy, and you do it all over again... Not many of us brew our own beer, wine, or distill our own liquor, although some do... some will grow their own pot, but most will be happy to buy from the government, and pay the extortionist prices... (Any idea how much it costs to make a 26'er of 40% shine? 3 bags of sugar (3x$2) plus a couple spoonfuls of yeast ($1.00), some water, and a weeks time... $7 for 3 (three) 26'ers! A little over $2 each. How much does the govt charge?

I think if I still smoked, I'd be growing my own tobacco and curing it myself, someone mentioned the price of a pack of smokes the other day, HOLY CRAP! I can remember paying $0.85 per pack in Houston in about 1980...

I imagine the same will happen with the price of pot... you think it's expensive now? Wait till the gray market dries up (once we're all gone) and the govt can start raising the "sin tax" and turning a $20 ounce into a $600 ounce... (or more!)

Bleak future eh?

But, I believe we can help alleviate that, make sure we educate our kids, and their kids, and anyone else who will listen... pass down, not only a joint, but the knowledge of how to grow, the experience of different strains, tastes, smells, all the things that make pot enjoyable... My grand-daughter says my weed is the best she's ever smoked, yet to me, it's mediocre, I'm still looking to find that special strain for me... unfortunately, it takes money and time... I have lots of time :)
 

The Hippy

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I would think that in 10 or 15 years, there will be a lot less of us, people used to the old system, and aware of the amazing genetics out there. Those who use pot will be much like most people today when it comes to liquor. You go into the liquor store, pick from their selection, and buy that. You take it home, consume it, you're happy, and you do it all over again... Not many of us brew our own beer, wine, or distill our own liquor, although some do... some will grow their own pot, but most will be happy to buy from the government, and pay the extortionist prices... (Any idea how much it costs to make a 26'er of 40% shine? 3 bags of sugar (3x$2) plus a couple spoonfuls of yeast ($1.00), some water, and a weeks time... $7 for 3 (three) 26'ers! A little over $2 each. How much does the govt charge?

I think if I still smoked, I'd be growing my own tobacco and curing it myself, someone mentioned the price of a pack of smokes the other day, HOLY CRAP! I can remember paying $0.85 per pack in Houston in about 1980...

I imagine the same will happen with the price of pot... you think it's expensive now? Wait till the gray market dries up (once we're all gone) and the govt can start raising the "sin tax" and turning a $20 ounce into a $600 ounce... (or more!)

Bleak future eh?

But, I believe we can help alleviate that, make sure we educate our kids, and their kids, and anyone else who will listen... pass down, not only a joint, but the knowledge of how to grow, the experience of different strains, tastes, smells, all the things that make pot enjoyable... My grand-daughter says my weed is the best she's ever smoked, yet to me, it's mediocre, I'm still looking to find that special strain for me... unfortunately, it takes money and time... I have lots of time :)
Gotta agree with alot of that.
I find it incredibly sad that the culture we made is so under attack. The greed of money has made it a real dog and pony show imo. Some of the folks I've run into are so pathetic it makes me sick. That other LP suck up forum was like that.
All these newbies have ZERO loyalty to those who got them here. I'm not like that. To me it's like forgetting a battle and those who fought it. Very disgusting.
 

odam2k

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All these newbies have ZERO loyalty to those who got them here. I'm not like that. To me it's like forgetting a battle and those who fought it. Very disgusting.
I was going to make a reference to the D-Day anniversary gathering of world leaders, but as strongly as I agree with you, I feel that would be an insult to those who gave their lives so that we could maintain our right to protest...

I realize there are those who gave up significant portions of their lives, spent rotting in jail cells, and they won't be forgotten (at least in my generation)
We need a slogan, like "Lest We Forget" (although it's taken, that's a good slogan for stoners...)
 

The Hippy

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I was going to make a reference to the D-Day anniversary gathering of world leaders, but as strongly as I agree with you, I feel that would be an insult to those who gave their lives so that we could maintain our right to protest...

I realize there are those who gave up significant portions of their lives, spent rotting in jail cells, and they won't be forgotten (at least in my generation)
We need a slogan, like "Lest We Forget" (although it's taken, that's a good slogan for stoners...)
Yes I'm not comparing it to historical battles.
But many folks lost property and families and jobs...etc. Those folks may feel they went thru a battle.
I'm pissed that the gov really didn't think they were doing wrong, they just thought they were missing out on money. Would you associate with someone who considers you nothing more than a source of cash? Not me!
They didn't feel it was wrong to charge us with cannabis offenses. They are still doing that. Especially if your money doesn't come their way thru LP sales.
If the gov were to come out and announce they were wrong and are sorry, I'd start to think a bit differently. But until that happens...same same as before.
 

odam2k

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If the gov were to come out and announce they were wrong and are sorry, I'd start to think a bit differently. But until that happens...same same as before.
Agree completely... I also think they had to walk on eggshells with legalization, there is a lot of opposition to it, and they managed to overcome that. I'm sure the rules will relax over time, and who knows, maybe we'll have another PM who loves to apologize for Canada like Trudeau does, and will apologise for the war on drugs and all those affected. I can see it happening, but probably not for a while yet. I think people first need to overcome their Reefer Madness impression of pot, instilled in their minds by the government (including law enforcement) during the war on drugs... That's not going to happen for most people who are on that side of the fence, so we're probably looking at another generation... maybe our kids? or grandkids?

So, tell your grandkids to possibly expect an apology sometime in their lifetime :)
 

The Hippy

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Agree completely... I also think they had to walk on eggshells with legalization, there is a lot of opposition to it, and they managed to overcome that. I'm sure the rules will relax over time, and who knows, maybe we'll have another PM who loves to apologize for Canada like Trudeau does, and will apologise for the war on drugs and all those affected. I can see it happening, but probably not for a while yet. I think people first need to overcome their Reefer Madness impression of pot, instilled in their minds by the government (including law enforcement) during the war on drugs... That's not going to happen for most people who are on that side of the fence, so we're probably looking at another generation... maybe our kids? or grandkids?

So, tell your grandkids to possibly expect an apology sometime in their lifetime :)
Yes the apology is one part but the other is the fact that they are still busting folks for dumb shit related to weed.
Part of being sorry is modifying your present behavior. All they did was nudge out another weed dealer with a paid goon squad to try and become the only weed dealer.
I can concede we do have some things better now. But not enough to my way of seeing it be done.
 

odam2k

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Yes the apology is one part but the other is the fact that they are still busting folks for dumb shit related to weed.
I honestly think this will change... Again, once people realize nothing has changed now that people can smoke pot legally, maybe they even know someone who will try it, maybe even try it themselves... Then they will realize that the rules are overreaching, and sometimes ridiculous. Some, hopefully, will eventually be invalidated by the Supreme Court... Like you, I see that we are heading in the right direction, and we DO have a long way to go, but this so far, is more than I ever expected in my lifetime... I'm old enough now that their new laws aren't really going to change any of my behaviour, except perhaps to be even more open and brazen :)
 

odam2k

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All they did was nudge out another weed dealer with a paid goon squad to try and become the only weed dealer.
To be honest, I don't care who sells the weed, as long as there's a great selection of high quality, low cost product. While there are a lot of people growing, most of us aren't growing Cup quality stuff. We scrape by barely growing enough to keep ourselves in smoke... (or, maybe I'm the only one?)

So for me, if it was available at a cost I could afford, and it was better quality than mine, why not?

When I first got pot prescribed, I signed up with an LP like a good boy, and started buying my weed from them... I think it was $5/gram with compassionate pricing, My "guy" was selling ounces for $180, so it was a bit cheaper, and they had a pretty good selection at the time, I think it was Merican.... I tried a few strains, found them to be dry, powdery, and harsh... I did find one or two strains that I did like, but once I bought some, they never had any more for sale... Eventually my guy dropped his price to $150 to match, and without Tax and Delivery, I was saving money again...

If I could walk into a legal store, and see, and smell the product, and someone there knew something about it, like actually smokes it, and the price was acceptable, then there's a good chance I'd buy samples of some different strains. But that's not going to happen the way things are now... maybe not for quite some time.
 

WHATFG

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As well, “it is possible that durable, biopersistent nanoparticles may accumulate in the body, in particular in the lungs, in the brain and in the liver,” according to the report.
That should be the full stop...
While Health Canada will regulate cannabis edibles, Singh said it is unclear whether the agency intends to or will be able to specifically regulate the use of cannabinoid nanoparticles within those products.
....and another full fucking stop...
Employment and Social Development Canada has identified nano-materials as an emerging occupational hazard, warning: “Although little human data is available on the potential health effects of nanoparticle exposure, existing literature has drawn a causal relationship between nanoparticle exposure and adverse health effects.
...and even something to back up the full stop...what i$ the problem here?
 

Jefferson1977

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That should be the full stop...

....and another full fucking stop...

...and even something to back up the full stop...what i$ the problem here?

I'm sticking to my home made edibles. No way will I ingest nano-particles. I don't even hardly use sunscreen for that same reason.
 

Jefferson1977

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for medicinal purposes though I wonder if it is possible to make THC liposomes. Not nanotechnology but would be more effective delivery
 
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