Why do my yields suck ?

[KryptoBud]

I have strains that will show sex before flip, and just keep right on vegging until the flip, so how's that supposed to work? You start counting it as flowering while you're still in veg mode, just because you see pistols? Science is based on consistent facts. The only thing that can be consistent here (especially in large gardens where you can't check all plants for the first pistol) is when you change the light timing schedule. I think you may be confusing biology and horticulture.

Biology is the natural science that studies life and living organisms, including their physical structure, chemical processes, molecular interactions, physiological mechanisms, development and evolution.

Horticulture is the art or practice of garden cultivation and management.

pistils forming from a single calyx at the node isn't the same as calyxs stacking to form flowers is it? Thats why its called pre flower and not flower. Its a sign of sexual maturity like puberty is.

That being said does it matter when you start counting anyways? Whats the point of counting in the first place, the plants aren't on your schedule.
Believing breeders flowering times and yield estimates are like believing a box of Kraft mac & cheese actually makes four servings. Its all marketing BS.

 

[PJ Diaz]

pistils forming from a single calyx at the node isn't the same as calyxs stacking to form flowers is it? Thats why its called pre flower and not flower. Its a sign of sexual maturity like puberty is.

That being said does it matter when you start counting anyways? Whats the point of counting in the first place, the plants aren't on your schedule.
Believing breeders flowering times and yield estimates are like believing a box of Kraft mac & cheese actually makes four servings. Its all marketing BS.

It only matters to me when I grow strains of a known flowering time (cuts I've grown in the past), so that I can anticipate my growing cycles and make sure I have young plants ready to put into flowing cycle once the mature ones are done. Flip to 12/12 is an easy day to count. If you're gonna try to argue that "stacking to form flowers" is when flowering starts, then I'm gonna argue that it's quite subjective to determine the specific day the "stacking to form flowers" begins.

As far as flower vs preflower, a calyx is part of the flower, so not sure how you can really separate the two. "Pre-flowering" is part of the flowering cycle. The same as daises send out small buds before the flowers open; it's part of their "flowering cycle".

 

[Growing24/7]

When calyxes swell and the buds feel rock hard, check your triches. If you have some amber you can harvest whenever!

1. never defoliate healthy leaves
2. use bigger pots for autos
3. we need more close up pics of the buds you harvested, i'd like to see how mature they were because harvesting early can also dramatically decrease yield
4. for autos you should never top or stress the plant, but doing some LST when it is young by bending the plant one way will create many more colas and a thicker plant. You should not keep training your auto, stick to 1 time.
5. NEVER LISTEN TO FLOWER TIMES ON SITES, every strain/pheno/plant can be a little different. No one is the same, same goes for weed plants.

But i don't know shit i never grew an auto and don't plan to lol, this is just what i read.

 

[KryptoBud]

It only matters to me when I grow strains of a known flowering time (cuts I've grown in the past), so that I can anticipate my growing cycles and make sure I have young plants ready to put into flowing cycle once the mature ones are done. Flip to 12/12 is an easy day to count. If you're gonna try to argue that "stacking to form flowers" is when flowering starts, then I'm gonna argue that it's quite subjective to determine the specific day the "stacking to form flowers" begins.

As far as flower vs preflower, a calyx is part of the flower, so not sure how you can really separate the two. "Pre-flowering" is part of the flowering cycle. The same as daises send out small buds before the flowers open; it's part of their "flowering cycle".

I'm not really would arguing when you choose to count days. I'd start at 12/12 if I still counted too. My point is there isn't any difference in the plant last day of 18/6 and the first day of 12/12 so why is that counted as the start of flower? That first extra 6 hours of dark doesn't trigger flowering, it takes days for hormones to build up. You don't see pistils on the growth tips during veg.

If you put a veg plant in 24 hours of dark by accident it wouldn't flower in that time. The same with putting flowering plants under 24 hours of light wouldn't reveg them.

Plants being "finished" or "done" is quite subjective itself making counting days and when to start just as subjective and imo useless. I can tell you that I never seen a plant finish in the time the breeder said it would counting from the flip, always took about two weeks longer.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I'm not really would arguing when you choose to count days. I'd start at 12/12 if I still counted too. My point is there isn't any difference in the plant last day of 18/6 and the first day of 12/12 so why is that counted as the start of flower? That first extra 6 hours of dark doesn't trigger flowering, it takes days for hormones to build up. You don't see pistils on the growth tips during veg.

If you put a veg plant in 24 hours of dark by accident it wouldn't flower in that time. The same with putting flowering plants under 24 hours of light wouldn't reveg them.

Plants being "finished" or "done" is quite subjective itself making counting days and when to start just as subjective and imo useless. I can tell you that I never seen a plant finish in the time the breeder said it would counting from the flip, always took about two weeks longer.

Sure, and with seed you're never really gonna know the flowering time anyways, as it's gonna vary from pheno to pheno. Breeder times are really just gonna be a guideline as to how one of their strains compare to another in terms of flowering time.

Personally I don't run a lot of seeds. I buy maybe a dozen seeds a year and look for a keeper. I usually find something I like and run the same cut for multiple runs. I have a flower space and a separate veg space, so when flower is done I like to have new plants all ready to go into flower from veg. In that case (and I assume in the case of many breeders) they keep track of flower times that way, because it's the most obvious and most objective change that we are active manipulating in terms of flowering vs veg.

Truth is even with a known cut flowering times are gonna vary from room to room. Plants grown in hydro are generally gonna finish a bit quicker than soil, all other things being equal. However with that said, I'd like to be able to pass on a cut of a known pheno to a buddy and tell him "it's 9 weeks flowering time from flip", and that being the most obvious constant.

 

[PJ Diaz]

When calyxes swell and the buds feel rock hard, check your triches. If you have some amber you can harvest whenever!

1. never defoliate healthy leaves
2. use bigger pots for autos
3. we need more close up pics of the buds you harvested, i'd like to see how mature they were because harvesting early can also dramatically decrease yield
4. for autos you should never top or stress the plant, but doing some LST when it is young by bending the plant one way will create many more colas and a thicker plant. You should not keep training your auto, stick to 1 time.
5. NEVER LISTEN TO FLOWER TIMES ON SITES, every strain/pheno/plant can be a little different. No one is the same, same goes for weed plants.

But i don't know shit i never grew an auto and don't plan to lol, this is just what i read.

#1 is debatable depending on strain and environment. Many growers do practice selective defoliation successfully. I have one strain that requires it, and another strain which is the opposite.