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DIY-HP-LED

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Except you're wrong that a group of people can have more rights than any of the individuals within it.

Rights are not additive in the sense that more people can create a right greater than any of the individuals has. If that were the case, as you seem to be weakly alluding to, a democratic gang rape, would not be a bad thing. Of course it is a bad thing and so is thinking rights can be aggregated to a higher sum than math would allow.

Cops and judges role is to maintain the hierarchy and to create revenue for the state via stolen money.

Presidents are actors, used as useful idiots by people with lots of money. Sometimes they get out of line, then they get offed.

I suspect you have above average intelligence, but are frustrated by those with greater intelligence, hence your conflation and intrepidation of being outwitted by an internet bigfoot.
Rob I can see yer the philosopher king of these idiots and might yet be of some interest to me, fer practice mind ya.

Gimme a chance to go over what ya wrote in some detail and I'll get back to ya. Fur right now I gotta watch me some liberal media and git myself all jacked up about the doings of the Donald

Don't wear that monkey suit out side now ya hear, wouldn't want to seeya git yerself shot by no hillbilly and the red MAGA hat won't save ya, neither will an orange vest or another orange monkey.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Except you're wrong that a group of people can have more rights than any of the individuals within it.
Nope, evolution, history and our life experience proves this to be untrue. We cannot survive alone and we evolved in groups, 100,000 years ago the chief could do ya like a cop or a judge if ya broke the rules, or couldn't get along with others, if they kicked yer ass out back then that was a death sentence. Just like folks reject you or other social miscreants, it's natural and instinctive, many of our behaviors are Rob and social organization is one of these. Monkeys have it too and ya should know that.

It's an ideal of some fool who figured he knew how folks should live, learn to think fur yer self Rob.

Rights are not additive in the sense that more people can create a right greater than any of the individuals has. If that were the case, as you seem to be weakly alluding to, a democratic gang rape, would not be a bad thing. Of course it is a bad thing and so is thinking rights can be aggregated to a higher sum than math would allow.
Same argument as above, flawed and ignores fundamental human nature and basically rhetorical bullshit and unclear thinking. I can save ya a lot of typing and trouble by cutting straight to the motives that fuel yer delusion if ya like?
Cops and judges role is to maintain the hierarchy and to create revenue for the state via stolen money.

Presidents are actors, used as useful idiots by people with lots of money. Sometimes they get out of line, then they get offed.
Ya don't like authority figures and ya don't like anybody telling ya right from wrong either, that's what ya just told me.

I suspect you have above average intelligence, but are frustrated by those with greater intelligence, hence your conflation and intrepidation of being outwitted by an internet bigfoot.
Ya could be right Rob, don't know too many people who didn't want to be smarter, you among them I might add. I value wisdom over smarts Rob, it serves a man better. The first thing I used to look for in a student was a heart, no heart, no hope, and in you I have found only self delusion and a mind warped by desire and blinded by the need to fulfill instinctive drives that can take control of any man, unless he is of good character and conducts himself with honor. Honoring others only applies if they, too honor others and in doing so themselves, honor means protecting the weak and vulnerable too. It's what Happy Warriors do Rob, protect our clan and a lone wolf doesn't have a chance, cause we are driven by love for one another, we've got a plan and cooperate...

In war we can both give our lives for another and kill in the same instant. Why would anybody sacrifice their life for another Rob? Don't bother answering.

Used to go by the handle of Bodhidharma (means awakened to the way of the world, or the way we work) one of many who used that name. The first was a legendary and obscure monk who traveled to China from India two thousand years ago...
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Jesus was a civil disobedient and he rubbed cannabis oil on people to ease their suffering.

Creepy Biden rubs his oily paws on people to increase their suffering.

Who did you put your creepy paws on Rob?
Hard to make a moral argument eh?

I mean an honest moral argument, not bullshit rationalizations either. She was a child Rob and you a grown man who behaved shamefully and are rejected by decent people everywhere because of it. It must be painful indeed, and I'm sure it was for her too and her parents were devastated as well.

What if this child had become pregnant Rob, did you really think through the consequences of your actions?

Did you even care?

If nobody else can tell ya right from wrong Rob, there's a pretty good chance you can't either. This indicates an antisocial pathology and that can't be good cause it would mean there's no hope and you'll never drink from the cup of human happiness. Others will be mere objects to you for the fulfillment of your selfish needs and not a source of joy and comfort. and I don't figure ya got the mental equipment to know what I'm talking about.

Others might wants to copy the above text Rob and keep it handy and if they are offended by child sexual abuse, they are free to use it, no attribution required. They can throw it yer face Rob every time ya make a stupid post, which is always and I hope folks spread the word around these parts about a varmint on the loose and this is the cure.

I am here to end suffering, why don't you end yours Rob?
 
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ttystikk

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I put about as much time in finding this stupid meme as you did regurgitating Putin's lines.

Edit: This is not an election about moving the ball forward, this is a election about getting the ball away from the cheater who is actively asking for foreign help in getting him re-elected.
No. This is an election about the direction of the country going forward for the next 4 years, just like every other presidential election.

The fact that you pulled Putin out of your ass tells me you've got nothing- which is exactly my point about the establishment Democratic Party; they're just in it for the money.

I'm not supporting that. I'm going to vote for the best person for the job. If the DNC won't offer anyone but a corporatist shill then they won't be getting my vote.

It's not complicated.
 

ttystikk

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Says the person whose greatest desire is to lock women in cages.

You are the worst person to try to argue from moral high ground.

The best thing you could do for yourself and those close to you is to start making amends with the people you've hurt beginning with your own daughter.
Back to the personal attacks because you've got nothing better.

You bore me.
 

Rob Roy

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Bullshit.

Quarantine for disease.

Try again.
So, what you're saying is a group of individuals can each decide not to associate with a particular person because they fear catching a disease ?

How does that create rights for the group greater than any of the individuals have ? It doesn't, try again.
 

Rob Roy

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Who did you put your creepy paws on Rob?
Hard to make a moral argument eh?

I mean an honest moral argument, not bullshit rationalizations either. She was a child Rob and you a grown man who behaved shamefully and are rejected by decent people everywhere because of it. It must be painful indeed, and I'm sure it was for her too and her parents were devastated as well.

What if this child had become pregnant Rob, did you really think through the consequences of your actions?

Did you even care?

If nobody else can tell ya right from wrong Rob, there's a pretty good chance you can't either. This indicates an antisocial pathology and that can't be good cause it would mean there's no hope and you'll never drink from the cup of human happiness. Others will be mere objects to you for the fulfillment of your selfish needs and not a source of joy and comfort. and I don't figure ya got the mental equipment to know what I'm talking about.

Others might wants to copy the above text Rob and keep it handy and if they are offended by child sexual abuse, they are free to use it, no attribution required. They can throw it yer face Rob every time ya make a stupid post, which is always and I hope folks spread the word around these parts about a varmint on the loose and this is the cure.

I am here to end suffering, why don't you end yours Rob?
Oh dear, I know you went to a lot of trouble to write the preceding mountains of horse shit, but you're still wrong.

So you've posted several times, created a volume of conflated nonanswers and included an erroneous innuendo laden perv accusation and yet you STILL haven't shown me how a group of people can have any greater right than any of the individuals within it.

The reason why you haven't shown me is simple. A group of people doesn't have greater rights than any individual within it. It's impossible.

Rights are concepts that human beings are equal, not in the sense that most people misuse, but in the sense that means every peaceable person has the right of self determination.

What you described, hierarchies, is based in the idea that rights come from other people or "the group", which would make them revocable privileges or customs, subject to change based on the whims of the hierarchy or a democratic process etc. , therefore they are not rights. Without using a strawman, try to make your point, using an example that is an on point refutation to my declaration. You can't.

As an aside, would you like me to mathematically prove my point ? It's quite simple to do so. You do believe that math is a good way to prove something, right, err, correct ?

I think you own yourself, but you and your friends can't rightfully own other people, why are you arguing for a process that aligns itself with slavery ? That's what a democracy does or an ingrained custom does. Pointing to customs (which you did) as "proof" that rights can be aggregated doesn't disprove my point, it simply shows the ways rights have been abridged by groups historically. In other words, because a thing occurs on routine and regular basis isn't proof that it is right, it could be that wrong has simply been normalized.

So how about some mathematical proofs instead of volumes of horse shit? (I like this part)
 
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Unclebaldrick

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Have another beer. It obviously won't help you come up with anything intelligent to say but it will keep your jerking off hand busy for a minute.

Boring!
Do you think that having another beer will cause us to feel better about you considering your history of abuse, sex trafficking and spouting untrue propaganda that you refuse to acknowledge when it is proven to be obviously untrue?

I am very skeptical of your assertion. Can you provide your sources?
 
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Rob Roy

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Do you think that having another beer will cause us to feel better about you considering your history of abuse, sex trafficking and spouting untrue propaganda that you refuse to acknowledge?

I am very skeptical of you assertion. Can you provide your sources?
The point of your post could be better proven if you would simply prove that any of his alleged behavior included forcible coercion / denial of individual consent.

If he didn't do that, but merely "broke laws" which disallowed some kinds of consensual behavior, you are arguing for nonconsensual behavior being lawful.

Ironic. Have two more beers.
 

Rob Roy

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No. This is an election about the direction of the country going forward for the next 4 years, just like every other presidential election.

The fact that you pulled Putin out of your ass tells me you've got nothing- which is exactly my point about the establishment Democratic Party; they're just in it for the money.

I'm not supporting that. I'm going to vote for the best person for the job. If the DNC won't offer anyone but a corporatist shill then they won't be getting my vote.

It's not complicated.
Do you believe you have the right to appoint somebody as your leader ?

Do you believe you have the right to appoint a leader for somebody else against their will ?
 

hanimmal

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No. This is an election about the direction of the country going forward for the next 4 years, just like every other presidential election.

The fact that you pulled Putin out of your ass tells me you've got nothing- which is exactly my point about the establishment Democratic Party; they're just in it for the money.

I'm not supporting that. I'm going to vote for the best person for the job. If the DNC won't offer anyone but a corporatist shill then they won't be getting my vote.

It's not complicated.


In the imaginary world that you have built up in your mind (or just regurgitating if you are a paid troll) you really are missing a lot of what is going on in the world today. Getting the presidency, house and hopefully a chance at the senate away from Trump is very important. And all of your arguments are just right wing talking points wrapped up in 'leftist' decoration.

You are at best a useful idiot at this point for the Russian/Trump agenda.
 

Unclebaldrick

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In the imaginary world that you have built up in your mind (or just regurgitating if you are a paid troll) you really are missing a lot of what is going on in the world today. Getting the presidency, house and hopefully a chance at the senate away from Trump is very important. And all of your arguments are just right wing talking points wrapped up in 'leftist' decoration.

You are at best a useful idiot at this point for the Russian/Trump agenda.
I hereby certify that Tyronious is not a paid troll. He has never had a job.
 

UncleBuck

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The point of your post could be better proven if you would simply prove that any of his alleged behavior included forcible coercion / denial of individual consent.

If he didn't do that, but merely "broke laws" which disallowed some kinds of consensual behavior, you are arguing for nonconsensual behavior being lawful.

Ironic. Have two more beers.
Let tty sex traffic your mom
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Oh dear, I know you went to a lot of trouble to write the preceding mountains of horse shit, but you're still wrong.

So you've posted several times, created a volume of conflated nonanswers and included an erroneous innuendo laden perv accusation and yet you STILL haven't shown me how a group of people can have any greater right than any of the individuals within it.

The reason why you haven't shown me is simple. A group of people doesn't have greater rights than any individual within in. It's impossible.

Rights are concepts that human beings are equal, not in the sense that most people misuse, but in the sense that means every peaceable person has the right of self determination.

What you described, hierarchies, is based in the idea that rights come from other people or "the group", which would make them revocable privileges or customs, subject to change based on the whims of the hierarchy or a democratic process etc. , therefore they are not rights. Without using a strawman, try to make your point, using an example that is an on point refutation to my declaration. You can't.

As an aside, would you like me to mathematically prove my point ? It's quite simple to do so. You do believe that math is a good way to prove something, right, err, correct ?

I think you own yourself, but you and your friends can't rightfully own other people, why are you arguing for a process that aligns itself with slavery ? That's what a democracy does or an ingrained custom does. Pointing to customs (which you did) as "proof" that rights can be aggregated doesn't disprove my point, it simply shows the ways rights have been abridged by groups historically. In other words, because a thing occurs on routine and regular basis isn't proof that it is right, it could be that wrong has simply been normalized.

So how about some mathematical proofs instead of volumes of horse shit? (I like this part)
Because it's not about logic and reason, human relations are matters of the heart and you have none. You retreat into intellectualism and demand mathematical proof of things that all normally socialized people know in there hearts to be true. I told you, you lack certain mental equipment, that blinds you to much of the human condition, ya haven't a clue what yer missing either.

My eyes glazed over on the first paragraph, this guy doesn't get it at all...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Do you believe you have the right to appoint somebody as your leader ?
Any fool knows we elect our leaders Rob, what is wrong with you?

Do you believe you have the right to appoint a leader for somebody else against their will ?
Sure, ever hear of a guy named MacArthur, he was ruler of Japan fur awhile, appointed by Truman. This demonstrates a stunning level of ignorance and completely demolishes yer argument with an example of the real life human condition.

Yer full of shit Rob
 

Rob Roy

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Any fool knows we elect our leaders Rob, what is wrong with you?



Sure, ever hear of a guy named MacArthur, he was ruler of Japan fur awhile, appointed by Truman. This demonstrates a stunning level of ignorance and completely demolishes yer argument with an example of the real life human condition.

Yer full of shit Rob
What's wrong with me? Flat feet, I need glasses and I often have gas and I'm a know it all.

Yes, you could elect YOUR leader, but if you elect a person and tell me he's now MY leader, you've appointed a master over me, not a leader. The only way a person could validly be my leader and not my master would be if I explicitly agreed to it. You won't be able to refute that.

I have heard of MacArthur, he was a mercenary stooge that worked for the USA empire right? Mentioning him does not demolish my argument that a group of people cannot have greater rights than any individual within the group.

Can a person delegate rights they do not possess ? Simple question. I say, no, a person cannot delegate a right they do not possess.
 
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