Best medium for autos?

Cwmoore577

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So I just got a couple different auto strains from seedsman. This will be my first time with autos and just wondering about basics..

What’s the best medium to grow them in? I have 3 options from the hydro store.. FF Strawberry Fields, FF Ocean Forest or I could get Coco and do Coco/perlite.

My supplies are General Organics BioThrive Grow and BioThrive Bloom. Also Emerald Forest CalMag. I use RO water.

Is there anything specific I should know about autos that’s different from photoperiods? I know they use less nutes and will require training.
 

pthobson

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From what you have listed I’d go with the ocean forest with added perlite and little dolomite lime
 

MATTYMATT726

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So I just got a couple different auto strains from seedsman. This will be my first time with autos and just wondering about basics..

What’s the best medium to grow them in? I have 3 options from the hydro store.. FF Strawberry Fields, FF Ocean Forest or I could get Coco and do Coco/perlite.

My supplies are General Organics BioThrive Grow and BioThrive Bloom. Also Emerald Forest CalMag. I use RO water.

Is there anything specific I should know about autos that’s different from photoperiods? I know they use less nutes and will require training.
Are you a lazy/laid back grower? Go FFOF. Do you not mind feeding nutrients every watering(should be atleat 1 time a day) in coco? Coco will blow soil out the door in growth and yeild provided it doesn't kill you to take the 5 min to mix and feed you're plants 1-2x dailey.
 

Cwmoore577

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Are you a lazy/laid back grower? Go FFOF. Do you not mind feeding nutrients every watering(should be atleat 1 time a day) in coco? Coco will blow soil out the door in growth and yeild provided it doesn't kill you to take the 5 min to mix and feed you're plants 1-2x dailey.
Not lazy at all. I find the process fun. I was thinking of going coco anyway. Will the coco mix need added nutes every day? Would that not hurt roots or does it dry out very fast?
 

MATTYMATT726

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Not lazy at all. I find the process fun. I was thinking of going coco anyway. Will the coco mix need added nutes every day? Would that not hurt roots or does it dry out very fast?
Coco does dry out fast. It can be watered in smaller amounts up to 6x a day. You can grow bigger plants in smaller containers of soil because coco can be fed nutes more often and get fresh oxygen so root space becomes a non factor as soil that needs tons of root space and gets watered 4-5 days.
 

yummy fur

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So I just got a couple different auto strains from seedsman. This will be my first time with autos and just wondering about basics..

What’s the best medium to grow them in? I have 3 options from the hydro store.. FF Strawberry Fields, FF Ocean Forest or I could get Coco and do Coco/perlite.

My supplies are General Organics BioThrive Grow and BioThrive Bloom. Also Emerald Forest CalMag. I use RO water.

Is there anything specific I should know about autos that’s different from photoperiods? I know they use less nutes and will require training.
The best medium period, is clay balls, and hydro for autos. No argument.
What follows only applies to healthy plants growing in clay pellets and a non bullshit hydro. (see my sig)

—Autos like to be topped. Nine out of ten times it's best to top, maybe think about it one out of ten times, then top anyway. It will not 'slow down' your plant, in fact it's more likely to speed her up, but definitely not stunt her.

—Autos like to be defoliated, some plants need a lot some very little, but all need to be defoliated. It will not 'slow down' your plant, in fact it's more likely to speed her up, due to more light getting to early shoots.

—Two beans from the same packet can be very different from each other for no other reason than that's how they expressed themselves. For example here's three from the same sealed D.P packet of Orange Bud auto. These two are in the same pot blue.jpg they grew very differently right from the start, that is not a blue light on the left, they are both under a white light. The one on the right's leaves went yellow and produced a normal sort of bud, the one on the left bloomed two weeks later, none of the leaves went yellow, they went directly from green to dark plum. The ones on the right have been curing for 3 weeks, the ones on the left currently look like thisb2.jpg.

The first one of these I grew was very slow to set flower and looked very weedy for a long time then suddenly this ob1.jpg. So you can now see how easy it is to think something is wrong just because the same beans are doing something else. Then you can get panicked into fucking around with the nutrients and other bullshit. For the record, I've never used any extra Ca or Mg other than what comes already in the nutes.

This is why it's vital to get your system as simple as possible. If you change something like a different light or a different medium, that change you see may very well not be due to what ever change you made but just natural variation.
 

Smiffy2k9

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2liter bottle hempy, 100% perlite, run perpetual sog and you get 15-20g a plant, i start 3 at at time, then start more 3 weeks apart, 9 plants growing at a time, harvest 50ish grams every 3ish weeks
 

wil2279

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So I just got a couple different auto strains from seedsman. This will be my first time with autos and just wondering about basics..

What’s the best medium to grow them in? I have 3 options from the hydro store.. FF Strawberry Fields, FF Ocean Forest or I could get Coco and do Coco/perlite.

My supplies are General Organics BioThrive Grow and BioThrive Bloom. Also Emerald Forest CalMag. I use RO water.

Is there anything specific I should know about autos that’s different from photoperiods? I know they use less nutes and will require training.
You don't have to train autos... Some don't really get tall enough to bother training. As a rule of thumb they don't need as many nutrients as photos... Of your options I would go with coco/perlite mix if you want to feed at least once per day... If you don't want to be quite as hands on... I actually like the idea of a 50/50 FFOF and strawberry fields mix... Or FFOF on top and strawberry fields on bottom of the pots. You will probably have to feed some but not for the first 30 days.
 

PURPLEB3RRYKUSH

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I use Canna Terra about 50 AUD for a 50 litre bag shipped on fleabay, expensive shit, no feeds till flower though, gets autos through about 50 days. US has the goods
 

Cwmoore577

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You don't have to train autos... Some don't really get tall enough to bother training. As a rule of thumb they don't need as many nutrients as photos... Of your options I would go with coco/perlite mix if you want to feed at least once per day... If you don't want to be quite as hands on... I actually like the idea of a 50/50 FFOF and strawberry fields mix... Or FFOF on top and strawberry fields on bottom of the pots. You will probably have to feed some but not for the first 30 days.
The best medium period, is clay balls, and hydro for autos. No argument.
What follows only applies to healthy plants growing in clay pellets and a non bullshit hydro. (see my sig)

—Autos like to be topped. Nine out of ten times it's best to top, maybe think about it one out of ten times, then top anyway. It will not 'slow down' your plant, in fact it's more likely to speed her up, but definitely not stunt her.

—Autos like to be defoliated, some plants need a lot some very little, but all need to be defoliated. It will not 'slow down' your plant, in fact it's more likely to speed her up, due to more light getting to early shoots.

—Two beans from the same packet can be very different from each other for no other reason than that's how they expressed themselves. For example here's three from the same sealed D.P packet of Orange Bud auto. These two are in the same pot View attachment 4395687 they grew very differently right from the start, that is not a blue light on the left, they are both under a white light. The one on the right's leaves went yellow and produced a normal sort of bud, the one on the left bloomed two weeks later, none of the leaves went yellow, they went directly from green to dark plum. The ones on the right have been curing for 3 weeks, the ones on the left currently look like thisView attachment 4395686.

The first one of these I grew was very slow to set flower and looked very weedy for a long time then suddenly this View attachment 4395688. So you can now see how easy it is to think something is wrong just because the same beans are doing something else. Then you can get panicked into fucking around with the nutrients and other bullshit. For the record, I've never used any extra Ca or Mg other than what comes already in the nutes.

This is why it's vital to get your system as simple as possible. If you change something like a different light or a different medium, that change you see may very well not be due to what ever change you made but just natural variation.
I went and picked up some Royal Gold Tupur.
 

Cwmoore577

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The best medium period, is clay balls, and hydro for autos. No argument.
What follows only applies to healthy plants growing in clay pellets and a non bullshit hydro. (see my sig)

—Autos like to be topped. Nine out of ten times it's best to top, maybe think about it one out of ten times, then top anyway. It will not 'slow down' your plant, in fact it's more likely to speed her up, but definitely not stunt her.

—Autos like to be defoliated, some plants need a lot some very little, but all need to be defoliated. It will not 'slow down' your plant, in fact it's more likely to speed her up, due to more light getting to early shoots.

—Two beans from the same packet can be very different from each other for no other reason than that's how they expressed themselves. For example here's three from the same sealed D.P packet of Orange Bud auto. These two are in the same pot View attachment 4395687 they grew very differently right from the start, that is not a blue light on the left, they are both under a white light. The one on the right's leaves went yellow and produced a normal sort of bud, the one on the left bloomed two weeks later, none of the leaves went yellow, they went directly from green to dark plum. The ones on the right have been curing for 3 weeks, the ones on the left currently look like thisView attachment 4395686.

The first one of these I grew was very slow to set flower and looked very weedy for a long time then suddenly this View attachment 4395688. So you can now see how easy it is to think something is wrong just because the same beans are doing something else. Then you can get panicked into fucking around with the nutrients and other bullshit. For the record, I've never used any extra Ca or Mg other than what comes already in the nutes.

This is why it's vital to get your system as simple as possible. If you change something like a different light or a different medium, that change you see may very well not be due to what ever change you made but just natural variation.
Also, I’ve read articles saying that topping is a must for autos and then the next article says use only LST because autos aren’t meant for HST.
Which do I believe?
 

MATTYMATT726

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Also, I’ve read articles saying that topping is a must for autos and then the next article says use only LST because autos aren’t meant for HST.
Which do I believe?
First of all, Royal Gold Tupar is an excellent choice. Its all I'll grow in at this point. Great amount of perlite, so clean out if the bag with no wash needed. It's great. Aside from Yummy i have never seen a person say topping is a MUST for autos. Do you have any of these reads that you can link? Each plant is different and will handle it different. Simple as that. If you believe it is a must than do it and see for yourself how it works on your chisen strains. Topping for me goes as is. 18-21 days and she is starting or has partial 5th node and has healthy green leaves ill top her. Not in the above criteria than she's not getting topped.
 

Cwmoore577

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First of all, Royal Gold Tupar is an excellent choice. Its all I'll grow in at this point. Great amount of perlite, so clean out if the bag with no wash needed. It's great. Aside from Yummy i have never seen a person say topping is a MUST for autos. Do you have any of these reads that you can link? Each plant is different and will handle it different. Simple as that. If you believe it is a must than do it and see for yourself how it works on your chisen strains. Topping for me goes as is. 18-21 days and she is starting or has partial 5th node and has healthy green leaves ill top her. Not in the above criteria than she's not getting topped.
Ok thanks for the knowledge!

Also, this is the one I read that says to top after the 3rd node..
https://www.leafly.com/news/growing/growing-autoflowering-cannabis-seeds

This is one that says most do not recommend training such as topping, fim, mainlining, etc..
https://www.growweedeasy.com/autoflowering-vs-photoperiod#plant-training-methods

I’ll probably keep to bend and tying down as the only training I do.

Just want to learn as much as possible before growing them. My last grow I kinda learned as I went and made a few mistakes.
 

wil2279

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Strains like Mephisto 24 carat are not supposed to get taller than about 16 inches. I don't think topping would be a good choice for this strain. Mephisto Hubbabubbasmellascope is supposed to get up to 48 inches tall. This strain would make more sense to me to top. However like Matty said, you can just go by how tall or how many nodes it has around week 3. I wouldn't top later than day 28.
 
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Cwmoore577

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Strains like Mephisto 24 carat are supposed to get taller than about 16 inches. I don't think topping would be a good choice for this strain. Mephisto Hubbabubbasmellascope is supposed to get up to 48 inches tall. This strain would make more sense to me to top. However like Matty said, you can just go by how tall or how many nodes it has around week 3. I wouldn't top later than day 28.
My current auto strains are Northern Lights (30-60in height) and Strawberry Cheesecake (30-50in height)
 

wil2279

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My current auto strains are Northern Lights (30-60in height) and Strawberry Cheesecake (30-50in height)
Then I would go by the guidelines Matty have you. Sounds like you could top if you want... But also just doing some LST and maybe even some light super cropping might be a better way to go.
 

MATTYMATT726

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Ok thanks for the knowledge!

Also, this is the one I read that says to top after the 3rd node..
https://www.leafly.com/news/growing/growing-autoflowering-cannabis-seeds

This is one that says most do not recommend training such as topping, fim, mainlining, etc..
https://www.growweedeasy.com/autoflowering-vs-photoperiod#plant-training-methods

I’ll probably keep to bend and tying down as the only training I do.

Just want to learn as much as possible before growing them. My last grow I kinda learned as I went and made a few mistakes.
Growweedeasy is one of if not the BEST source of knowledge for new growers. Hands down a good source of advise and better than most of they users here honestly.
 

MATTYMATT726

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Strains like Mephisto 24 carat are supposed to get taller than about 16 inches. I don't think topping would be a good choice for this strain. Mephisto Hubbabubbasmellascope is supposed to get up to 48 inches tall. This strain would make more sense to me to top. However like Matty said, you can just go by how tall or how many nodes it has around week 3. I wouldn't top later than day 28.
3 weeks is my cutoff so it has that week to rebound. By 4-5 weeks most autos not mini/lowriders will be getting ready to pre/flower. I feel anything topping past 3 weeks is cutting it close. If the plant is ready to flower and has to choose to strengthen itself from topping or make buds it will make buds cause plant knows it's eventually going to die. Can you top past 3 weeks absolutely on xl tyoe of autos but there are more medium sized autos than suoer small or xl IMO.
 
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