Make no mistake: Medicare for All would cut taxes for most Americans

Fogdog

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Not only would universal healthcare reduce taxes for most people, it would also lead to the biggest take-home pay raise in a generation for most workers

Full article from the Guardian
LOL, it's true because a UK newspaper says so. Not because the legislation says it (which it does not).

If it's such a good deal why did Bernie outlaw competition from private companies? Why not let consumers decide whether or not it was a good deal?
 

hanimmal

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Not only would universal healthcare reduce taxes for most people, it would also lead to the biggest take-home pay raise in a generation for most workers

Full article from the Guardian
That is great, but it is never going to get through the Senate unless there are 60+ Democrats unafraid to lose their seats to Republicans, and they have the House. As soon as you bring that up in the general election you guarantee Republicans keep Mitch in control of shutting everything down that is not his agenda of keeping power in the hands of the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male agenda.

This has only happened for a handful of years that the Democrats have been in power since the 70's when the Republicans pulled their Southern Strategy. And every time they have had to spend all their time in power fixing the mess left by the Republicans love of the boom and bust cycle.
 
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abandonconflict

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Medicare for All bill – would involve massive tax increases for the middle class. For others, it’s the opposite: Medicare for All would cut costs for most Americans. Who is right?
This is a false dichotomy. Cutting costs is not exactly the opposite of raising taxes and they are not mutually exclusive. Maybe the Guardian should hire better propagandists. Furthermore, single-payer would not cut costs for all. The average family of four costs 20k to insure. Their costs might go down (might not, those morons Sanders and Warren don't fucking know the cost or how to pay for it) but for quite a few of us, the extra taxes are significantly higher than the current costs.
A frequent objection to calling health insurance premiums a tax is that people have some choice. Can’t the poor, the argument goes, enroll in cheap health plans? If you start calling health insurance premiums a tax, then shouldn’t we also call spending on food and clothes a tax?

This argument, however, is wrong, because cheap healthcare does not exist. There are cheap meals, there are cheap clothes, but there is no cheap way to treat your heart attack, to cure your cancer, or to give birth. Cheap health insurance means no healthcare when you need it.
Bullshit. Cheap healthcare does exist, it's called high copays and deductibles. It's also called taking care of yourself. I don't fucking want Medicare and I sure as fuck don't want to pay an extra 10k per year (low estimate) in taxes for it. This entire "article" is a series of logical fallacies. You could take every fucking dollar except for the first 250k that every fucking American makes and it still wouldn't be enough to pay the pricetag for giving everyone in the country, including immigrants, full comprehensive coverage with no deductibles. This notion that each worker pays for his own coverage just because, ostensibly, the costs would have been their wages otherwise, and then taking that number as if it negated the HUGE FUCKING MIDDLE CLASS TAX HIKES which are absolutely necessary to pay for the dumpster fire. Yeah, asinine.

All you've done is to cite an article which admits that taxes would go up while ignoring that everyone in the country will want to see their doctors (who get a pay cut thanks to Bernie and Liz's dumbfuck plan) ten fucking times as often now that middle class tax hikes pay for it.





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abandonconflict

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Not only would universal healthcare reduce taxes for most people, it would also lead to the biggest take-home pay raise in a generation for most workers

Full article from the Guardian
Did you read the thread title before you clicked post? They do in fact admit that taxes would indeed have to increase. That last paragraph just doesn't follow. First off, most of us support universal healthcare and want everyone covered. So you might want to choose your words better. Also, the very workers who would have their pay cut by M4A are doctors and care providers.

Also, those two idiots who wrote the article failed to lay out the costs and how M4A would be paid for. That's really the most important number. The leading coefficient in any formula to calculate these costs, yeah that is the number you fuckstains need to provide and just stfu until then.
 

PJ Diaz

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LOL, it's true because a UK newspaper says so. Not because the legislation says it (which it does not).

If it's such a good deal why did Bernie outlaw competition from private companies? Why not let consumers decide whether or not it was a good deal?
The way I look at it, medicare for all works because it's FOR ALL, and that includes all the politicians. Don't you think if Moscow Mitch and Tronald Dump were forced to have the same health plan as you and me, they would make sure it was a decent plan?
 

blu3bird

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That deductible is more than you actually save lol

I'll pass on that and keep my employer provided health insurance -

BCBS
$48 a week for health, dental and vision
$30-40 copay (I can't remember exactly which, but in that range)
$2000 deductible

There's not a chance I'm going to let you and Bernie take that away from me
 

blu3bird

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The way I look at it, medicare for all works because it's FOR ALL, and that includes all the politicians. Don't you think if Moscow Mitch and Tronald Dump were forced to have the same health plan as you and me, they would make sure it was a decent plan?
You're smoking crack if you think politicians are going to have M4A lol

Tell me, Bernie just had a heart attack, did he go to the public health center?
 

PJ Diaz

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That deductible is more than you actually save lol

I'll pass on that and keep my employer provided health insurance -

BCBS
$48 a week for health, dental and vision
$30-40 copay (I can't remember exactly which, but in that range)
$2000 deductible

There's not a chance I'm going to let you and Bernie take that away from me
Frankly that doesn't sound that good to me. I don't pay anything for mine, and it has a lower deductible than yours. I'd gladly trade it for Bernie's plan.
 

PJ Diaz

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You're smoking crack if you think politicians are going to have M4A lol

Tell me, Bernie just had a heart attack, did he go to the public health center?
It's not Medicare-for-all-except-politicians. Also you wouldn't need to go to a public health center to use it.
 

PJ Diaz

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Sure you would, LOL
Yep, absolutely. This is how much my employer pays a month for each employee, depending on how big the family. This is times hundreds of workers. I'd love to see them save that money, and have my union negotiate higher wages..

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