Maximising yield in a commercial grow

[Renfro]

Anyone got any recommendations of cloning methods that use very little space?

Cloning is so simple and can be made so difficult.

I use a tray of rapid rooters with a dome. Keep just enough water in the bottom of the tray that the little slots stay full. The dome should have condensation on the inside and it will "rain" on the cuttings. Works great for me, it's rare if I have one that doesn't root. Try to keep the tray around 80 degrees, they root faster warm. Heat mats work but use an inkbird temperature controller. I just set mine to the side in my veg room so they get indirect light.

 

[SamWE19]

Just thinking out loud here now...

Rather than putting up 4 clones in a 4 inch net pot in my dwc system I could maybe make some kind of modification since I have 8/7 week cycles for the first 2 weeks I could have them filled with neoprene rings and when I know I have enough clones I could transfer them to 4 inch pots...

Maybe buy spare lids and swap lids over

 

[SamWE19]

Cloning is so simple and can be made so difficult.

I use a tray of rapid rooters with a dome. Keep just enough water in the bottom of the tray that the little slots stay full. The dome should have condensation on the inside and it will "rain" on the cuttings. Works great for me, it's rare if I have one that doesn't root. Try to keep the tray around 80 degrees, they root faster warm. Heat mats work but use an inkbird temperature controller. I just set mine to the side in my veg room so they get indirect light.

Do you think i would have good success cloning in my dwc system Baring in mind it doesn’t have bubbles popping it relies on 16000lph water circulation with 3 venturis pumping water into the control bucket. So I’d have to have the stems submerged in the oxygenated water

 

[hybridway2]

Can you easily remove whole plants from
The trellis when you harvest without chopping up branches? I imagine buds getting stuck in there

Its not that bad. I come from below in pull allot through, making sure not to pop off buds. Sometimes cut from top then bottom.
120 site Sleazy-Cloner @60 cuts per clone will allow bigger/taller clones & spit out a tray every 10 days. Can re-use water in it for quite awhile using ClearRez once every 10-14 days. Just simple Clone-X

 

[Renfro]

Man it's sounds more and more like a genuine cluster fuck to me.

 

[SamWE19]

Man it's sounds more and more like a genuine cluster fuck to me.

How come? Since I’m limited on space and you can’t see the whole room I can understand how confusing it all May be


I’ve considered all the advice in this thread. I’ve now started 110 royal gorilla seeds, picked best 90 seedlings after germination and have the 90 growing now. I’ll monitor these and clone all 90 and compare notes from seed batch to clone batch and pick the best clone for a mother.

I’m considering a large nft gro tank for the mother’s since they are low profile. I’ll have 200cm x 60cm of space for the mother’s and probably scrog them with a net with 2 inch holes to hopefully manage 400 clones every 7/8 weeks.

The dwc tank will be used for the first 2 weeks of a cycle as a cloner and then pot up the clones 4 clones per 4 inch net pot.

Allow to root for another couple of weeks to 6-8 inches then transfer to the main vertical flower room which I’ll use either those tomato cages or a chicken wire screen

How’s that sound?

 

[Renfro]

The whole trying to jam 4 plants in one pot thing is where things started going downhill.

Just grow less plants. Culling males, hermies and preventing larger plants from just drowning out the smaller ones will be difficult.

But hey, what do I know.

 

[SamWE19]

The whole trying to jam 4 plants in one pot thing is where things started going downhill.

Just grow less plants. Culling males, hermies and preventing larger plants from just drowning out the smaller ones will be difficult.

But hey, what do I know.

Culling males, hermies and preventing larger plants are all issues with seeds though right? I’m talking about clones

 

[Renfro]

Man, four plants in one pot is just not the way to go IMO. But hey, maybe you can prove me wrong. If you really wanna get more branching off the get go you could monster crop your clones. Really though, best to just run one plant per site and FIM them to get your branching.

 

[SamWE19]

Man, four plants in one pot is just not the way to go IMO. But hey, maybe you can prove me wrong. If you really wanna get more branching off the get go you could monster crop your clones. Really though, best to just run one plant per site and FIM them to get your branching.

Why do you think four per pot isn’t the way to go? Interested in your thoughts. Roots will immediately grow out of the pot into the hydroponic system with unrestricted growth. Even with 1 per pot the roots eventually tangle but seem to do perfectly fine?

I also use mychorize so the roots all connect together and work in symbiosis with a chain of hyphae connecting all plants together.

 

[Capn-Crunch]

Not to disparage you Sam, but it doesn't sound to me like you're quite ready to plan and run an efficient for profit commercial grow.
You've had a lot of good advise posted on here that should prove be very helpful though.
At this point I think you should scale back the set up until you have a better grasp of what's going to happen.
The highest plant count grow I've ever done was 70 at one time with limited space, resources, etc, similar to your situation, and
believe me, it was an eye opener for sure!
As I said earlier, not trying to rain on your parade. Good luck bro

 

[Renfro]

Not to disparage you Sam, but it doesn't sound to me like you're quite ready to plan and run an efficient for profit commercial grow.
You've had a lot of good advise posted on here that should prove be very helpful though.
At this point I think you should scale back the set up until you have a better grasp of what's going to happen.
The highest plant count grow I've ever done was 70 at one time with limited space, resources, etc, similar to your situation, and
believe me, it was an eye opener for sure!
As I said earlier, not trying to rain on your parade. Good luck bro

This is sound advice. Rome wasn't built in a day. The problems that can arise with such a setup are difficult to anticipate until you have put a plan into action. Aside from setup related issues you also have to contend with all the normal hurdles that growers need to deal with such as pests, mold / mildew, pollen from bananas, equipment failures... just so many things. more can go wrong than right to be honest. With a setup like you are proposing it will take several runs to really figure things out, make changes, adapt using real world experience with your setup. If all goes well then after 3 or 4 runs you will be dialed in and producing with whatever setup evolves for you. So set your goals low and inch that bar up each run. Now is the time to try a few different ideas to see what works. A strain change can make one system great and another shitty. Lots of variables, more than I think you are imagining.

 

[Renfro]

I had well over 20 years of growing experience under my belt when I moved from Missouri to Colorado. Even with all that experience under my belt it took me a couple years to get my grow really on it's feet and it's continued to evolve since then. Never stop learning, don't be afraid to try new things, be open minded. I have learned more in the last 7 years than I did in the 23 before that.

 

[SamWE19]

Not to disparage you Sam, but it doesn't sound to me like you're quite ready to plan and run an efficient for profit commercial grow.
You've had a lot of good advise posted on here that should prove be very helpful though.
At this point I think you should scale back the set up until you have a better grasp of what's going to happen.
The highest plant count grow I've ever done was 70 at one time with limited space, resources, etc, similar to your situation, and
believe me, it was an eye opener for sure!
As I said earlier, not trying to rain on your parade. Good luck bro

I have been running 90 plants for 4 years... I’m looking to maximise the yield. Unfortunately for 3 of those years it wasn’t legal though.

 

[SamWE19]

I had well over 20 years of growing experience under my belt when I moved from Missouri to Colorado. Even with all that experience under my belt it took me a couple years to get my grow really on it's feet and it's continued to evolve since then. Never stop learning, don't be afraid to try new things, be open minded. I have learned more in the last 7 years than I did in the 23 before that.

I have changed my setup 3 times in the last 4 years alone It’s been a nightmare changing it. After lots of planning vertical was the best use of the space though. I have been growing for a total of 8 years starting off with just a 1m2 tent worked my way up to this

 

[Renfro]

I hope something we have shared helps you along towards your goals. Not really sure what more we have to offer as far as advice goes.

 

[SamWE19]

I hope something we have shared helps you along towards your goals. Not really sure what more we have to offer as far as advice goes.

I appreciate all the advice. I’ve considered it all and that’s why I’m heading down the route of a proper sog with 4 per sqft. Also pheno hunting for mother plants to keep now aswell.

Going to arrange some sort of trellis for the buds to keep them angled to the lights and spaced evenly. Just not sure if I should do individual cages or a net atm.

 

[Thundercat]

I’m inclined to think individual supports might be a huge pain in those tubes. Putting up trellis nets in front of the whole wall would be much cheaper and should provide good support.

 

[SamWE19]

I’m inclined to think individual supports might be a huge pain in those tubes. Putting up trellis nets in front of the whole wall would be much cheaper and should provide good support.

I was thinking the same individual supports costing around 350-400 usd or the net costing less than 60 usd

I’m struggling to figure how I am going to mount the net though. I was planning on making a wood frame and line it With Mylar that I sit between the light stack and the pipes to reflect light hitting the floor. So I wouldn’t be able to mount the net frame on the floor.

You have any ideas?

 

[Mechanicalbuds]

Agreed, very cool!