TORR POWER SAVING VEG METHOD

[RangiSTaxi]

VEG 12 hours White light - 12 hours of Pure Red 30 watts- 24 hours total VEG



12 hours white light HLG 550 running at 380 watts for 12 hours

Reds 12 in total - 10 x Deep Red 660 nm and 2 x far Reds 730 nm running at 30 watts

Total VEG Hours 24


Ok, Im stunned by the rapid growth, 12 hours white light HLG 550 running at 380 watts for 12 hours, 30 watt red for 12 Hours in Veg Total 24 hours light (from seed)

Not as much stretch as I expected, but more than normal for me, but incredibly explosive growth from the seedlings.

New basic garden centre potting mix , no added nutrients.

Power Savings Have been Huge. Around 14 Days after Germination (temps around 32 degrees celsius, far too hot, but plants dont seem to mind, will sort) High humidity as that Tray has a few cm of water sitting in it, air pot is raised out of the water.

Those Leaves are Huge 3x3 Tent. Dialed the HLG 550s down due to high heat, its Summer here.

76 Litre Air Pot

Im calling this New veg method (12 hours low wattage RED , 12 hours White Light) the:

Torr Veg Method

A Great Power Saving Method

Torr Veg Method

something you may like to trial yourself and play around with light hours that suit your grow style

A Great Power Saving Method

Idea started at https://www.rollitup.org/t/veg-12-hours-white-light-12-hours-of-pure-red-24-hours-total-veg.998235/

Last edited: 12 minutes ago

 

[coreywebster]

How long have you been doing it?

 

[RangiSTaxi]

How long have you been doing it?

2 weeks, not proven at all, just throwing the idea out their for peeps to test and trial for themselves.

Im impressed with the growth ive had from germination. been growing over 15 years and this growth has surprised me, and seems better than 24 hours at full blast with the 550 hlg at 24 hours. I am running the reds at the same time as the whites, i.e reds 24 hours white 12 hours.

I have Solar panels so the 12 hours of white light is free for me.

It could almost cut Veg power costs in half.

One thing i did note early on is red light can cause leaf bleaching even at 30 watts that white light does not, so be wary of keeping the light at a good height away and lower it to find the sweet spot it was around 55cm -60 cm away for me. the young seedlings are the most sensitive

 

[coreywebster]

2 weeks, not proven at all, just throwing the idea out their for peeps to test and trial for themselves.

Im impressed with the growth ive had from germination.

I wondered because I had a time last winter where I added an incandescent bulb for some extra heat and left main lights on 24h while we had a real cold snap. When I switched back to 18/6 I forgot I hadn't plugged the bulb into the timer with the QBs so it stayed on 24/7, 3 days later plants trebled in size and I had to cut them backdown to lowest node.
Happened really quick.
Doesn't seem like your having that issue at all though , obviously a big difference between an incandescent and the correct ratio of 660 and 730.

Interesting idea, will follow along.

 

[RangiSTaxi]

If anyone's interested Reds 12 in total came from cutter - 10 x Deep Red 660 nm and 2 x far Reds 730 nm

https://www.cutter.com.au/product/ssk-1560-730_660/

The driver from https://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/mean-well-usa-inc/APC-25-700/1866-1125-ND/7702576

 

[RangiSTaxi]

Update: on testing photoperiod flowering varieties will flower with 24 hours of light.
(12 hours white light HLG 550 running at 380 watts for 12 hours, 30 watt red for 12 Hours in Veg Total 24 hours light (from seed)

The result is like a auto, even for a photo-period seed. great power saving and above average yields.

Its awesome pretty awesome.

 

[RangiSTaxi]

Update: on testing photoperiod flowering varieties will flower with 24 hours of light.
(12 hours white light HLG 550 running at 380 watts for 12 hours, 30 watt red for 12 Hours in Veg Total 24 hours light (from seed)

The result is like a auto, even for a photo-period seed. great power saving and above average yields.

Its awesome pretty awesome.

This means you can supplement the dark period with red light and not delay flowering.

I have just harvested 2 plants of 4 , start date 2nd of november, the 2 plants harvested were seedsman big nugs fast.

time to harvest 28 days- from 2nd of November (Seedling see first photo) to 30 November harvest

 

[RangiSTaxi]

The later flowering varieties are still going, defoliated and bend down today to fill in the space where the other 2 were harvested from.tent 1

other tent defoliated today and bent down, for better light penetration, 2 have been harvested of 8 in total 6 plants left. Tent 2 are 7 days behind Tent one in planting.

 

[zypheruk]

I run 250 watts of qb's in veg for 12 hours and the other 12 hours im using a single qb at about 60 watts very similar results for veg. Why it saves me money. lol im a tight cunt. I will follow along and see how this turns out as it is interesting.

 

[Budzbuddha]

Red does induce more stretch , so there’s that.

 

[RangiSTaxi]

VEG 12 hours White light - 12 hours of Pure Red 30 watts- 24 hours total VEG



12 hours white light HLG 550 running at 380 watts for 12 hours

Reds 12 in total - 10 x Deep Red 660 nm and 2 x far Reds 730 nm running at 30 watts

Total VEG Hours 24


Ok, Im stunned by the rapid growth, 12 hours white light HLG 550 running at 380 watts for 12 hours, 30 watt red for 12 Hours in Veg Total 24 hours light (from seed)

Not as much stretch as I expected, but more than normal for me, but incredibly explosive growth from the seedlings.

New basic garden centre potting mix , no added nutrients.

Power Savings Have been Huge. Around 14 Days after Germination (temps around 32 degrees celsius, far too hot, but plants dont seem to mind, will sort) High humidity as that Tray has a few cm of water sitting in it, air pot is raised out of the water.

Those Leaves are Huge 3x3 Tent. Dialed the HLG 550s down due to high heat, its Summer here.

76 Litre Air Pot

Im calling this New veg method (12 hours low wattage RED , 12 hours White Light) the:

Torr Veg Method

A Great Power Saving Method

Torr Veg Method

something you may like to trial yourself and play around with light hours that suit your grow style

A Great Power Saving Method

Idea started at https://www.rollitup.org/t/veg-12-hours-white-light-12-hours-of-pure-red-24-hours-total-veg.998235/

Last edited: 12 minutes ago

The 2 biggest Plants in the first photo in this thread have now been harvested after just 28 days, estimate 2 ounce per plant dry.

1 Plant was very ready second plant I Could have harvested a week later , but tent was getting crowded, so harvested the 2 big nug fast plants to give more room to the last 2 plants in tent one. Tent 2 is garden of greens purple kush if my memory serves me correctly, planted on the 9th of November.

These Plants are growing and flowering very quickly like Autos but are photo period seeds, basically they are flowering like plants with zero veg from seedling germinating and thus far appear to be finishing faster than the fastest autos.

If you want to prevent them going to flower too fast add a hour of white light in the middle of the red flowering night period.

 

[10WeekFlushBro]

Very interesting. I'd be interested to see the difference between a normal 12/12 from seed and this lighting regimen.
28 days?! edit: ok I get it, that's critical mass X big bud lol.

 

[RangiSTaxi]

Very interesting. I'd be interested to see the difference between a normal 12/12 from seed and this lighting regimen.
28 days?! edit: ok I get it, that's critical mass X big bud lol.

This is not proven ,
Im throwing around ideas,

Idea 1, 12 hours white 12 hours red till flower from start to harvest, if said variety flowers under that . needs more testing (seedsman big nugs fast does, proven, violet Kush also flowers but to be continued...) the 2 x seedsman big nugs fast ended up 6 ounces dry.
Idea 2, veg only 12 hours white then 5.5 red hours red 1 hour white 5.5 red. = 24 hours veg, gas lantern method with red instead of dark
Idea 3 flowering 12 hours white 4 hours red = 16 hours 8 hours dark = 24 hours
Idea 4 , flower normally 12 hours white , 12 hours Dark , after 3rd week from flip to 12/12 once flowering is initiated and the plants committed to flowering and triggered run 24 hours of light 12 hours white 12 hours red.
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next test Blue Dream. after violet Kush finishes,then Kosher Kush and Alaskan Purple im not set up to or in a position to do in depth comparisons, but if others are, that would be great. im limited by very small scale, but will update .

 

[RangiSTaxi]

4 days later from previous pics. update :
im currently in a position to test idea 3 and idea 4 with the violet Kush, taking votes which one should i test.

Currently running 12 hours white /12 hours red from germination to now.

Photos just 4 days after bend down and heavy defoliate. see above pics (personally id like to move to idea 3 and give them a little dark period, but for the science and the community ill keep with the program if that's what peeps vote for.



25 days old from seedlings started 9th November tent 2, photo period seeds, tent 1 2nd November tent 2 planted 7 days later.

Tent 2 pics above, Tent 1 Pics below.

tent 1 , see first thread photo, 2 already harvested, harvested after 28 days from top photo 2nd november , 2 plants left. bent down 12h white / 12h red

bent down to fill in space where other 2 plants were harvested from.


pic above 32 days from seedlings see first pic in thread. 2 of 4 harvested after 28 days. ( note these are not particularly good strains at all, low quality free seeds) so the results should be far better if your using good genetics.

note: New basic garden centre potting mix , no added nutrients. ive choosen to use no added nutrients for this test. run of the mill garden centre potting mix, the cheapest and standard tap water.

4 plants in one pot, 2 harvested in 28 days , 2 plants left in tent 1. see first photo in thread.

 

[RangiSTaxi]

TORR methods, represents any flowering or Veg methods that dont fit under the "standard" lighting regimes.

 

[zypheruk]

be interesting to see the finished buds and structures of the plants. If you can post some images with out the red light it would be easier for people to view them.

 

[RangiSTaxi]

be interesting to see the finished buds and structures of the plants. If you can post some images with out the red light it would be easier for people to view them.

I will do that, however i posted white light photos just 4 days ago, not much changes in 4 days, they are just lifting to the light and recovering from the heavy defoliation and bend down. im posting in red and white so people see the white is day but the dark period is actually red , there is no dark period.

Im not keen on this strain at all to be honest, cant wait till it finishes, maybe in 3 weeks, I have blue dream next. a common variety that people can relate to.

here is some under buds that i still have, of the 2 plants i harvested in tent 1 the better stuff is already gone to a friend. nothing to write home about, but gives you a idea

 

[zypheruk]

I will do that, however i posted white light photos just 4 days ago, not much changes in 4 days, they are just lifting to the light and recovering from the heavy defoliation and bend down. im posting in red and white so people see the white is day but the dark period is actually red , there is no dark period.

Im not keen on this strain at all to be honest, cant wait till it finishes, maybe in 3 weeks, I have blue dream next. a common variety that people can relate to.

here is some under buds that i still have, of the 2 i harvested the better stuff is already gone. nothing to write home about, but gives you a idea

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Thanks for posting that not so bad at all, certainly looks like your experimenting is paying off. Really nice to see others think outside the box and try new things.

 

[Kassiopeija]

The 2 biggest Plants in the first photo in this thread have now been harvested after just 28 days, estimate 2 ounce per plant dry.

1 Plant was very ready second plant I Could have harvested a week later , but tent was getting crowded, so harvested the 2 big nug fast plants to give more room to the last 2 plants in tent one. Tent 2 is garden of greens purple kush if my memory serves me correctly, planted on the 9th of November.

These Plants are growing and flowering very quickly like Autos but are photo period seeds, basically they are flowering like plants with zero veg from seedling germinating and thus far appear to be finishing faster than the fastest autos.

If you want to prevent them going to flower too fast add a hour of white light in the middle of the red flowering night period.

at what day did they pre-sex?

 

[RangiSTaxi]

at what day did they pre-sex?

Hi The Big nugs fast were showing sex on the 6th of november (already harvested) and the Purple Kush on the 10th of November, basically the same as a zero veg from seedlings, to get bigger plants and stop them from flowering so early you would have to add a hour of white night in the middle of the red period. These plants are smaller than I would like.

I have suffered some leaf bleaching again from the 2 far reds, the 730 nms , so if using far reds the light cant be kept too close, I had them just 40cm away, too close, my bad, the 10 x 660 nm dont seem to be a problem with leaf bleaching..

I also have a major heat issue with temps getting up to 36 degrees C today as i turned the hgl 550s up to full power, i will turn them down tomorrow. There is no way for me to reduce temps to a decent level given my position, ill have to run with it.

Those 2 far red LEDS are like laser beams, note the leaf burn. only tent 2 has the leaf bleaching issue, lights raised slightly.
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We are at day 34 from the thread start 2nd of November With Tent 1, and just 27 days in Tent 2 . They are finishing very fast with the Seedsman big nugs fast harvest and dried, only Puple Kush left to finish. Also the leaf has lost a bit of green colour, i put this down to high heat and lights too close, they should improve when i dial the HLG 550s back down to 380 watts tomorrow.

yeild will not be great but probably ok for a zero veg from seedlings.

Garden of Greens Blue Dream sowed 6 days ago, to ready them for replacement once these finish, im going to reuse the same potting mix, cut out the roots and reuse same potting mix and pots.

The idea of using no added nutrients and second hand potting mix is that , nutrient additives may be unnecessary, and their cost may be unwarranted, in the past ive reused potting mix up to 5 times, indoors and done very well, often the older the potting mix the better, however in the past ive used extra nutrients, but for the next run will use none just plain tap water. General garden centre potting mix has 6-9 months of nutrients often those slow release nutrients don't come into there own till the second crop.