Joe Biden's political missteps

Communist Dreamer

Communist Dreamer

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Padawanbater2 said:
"His policies are horrible." - absolutely, for wealthy people who don't believe in paying their fair share

"They are poorly contrived and objectively pro - GOP." - Yet, when pressed about how Buttigieg, the candidate you said you support, plans to pay for his M4A who support it idea, you failed to address it. "poorly contrived". If any of them were "objectively pro - GOP", why don't any Republican politicians support them?

"he has never accomplished any progress" - beyond all the actual progress he has made during his career, like raising workers wages, increasing the budget of the VA, standing up for LGBT rights before any other Democratic candidate, supporting civil rights before any other Democratic candidate, etc., beyond all of those accomplishments, he has fewer legislative accomplishments in congress than some of his peers, that's true. But the reason it's true is because fewer of his peers support progressive legislation than don't. Fewer progressives end up in congress because corporations and special interests don't fund their campaigns, they fund campaigns of Democrats who will be friendly to their own interests. 95% of federal campaigns who spend the most money win elections. It has nothing to do with the validity or support of their ideas, policies, or positions, because when you poll the electorate, progressive positions usually win.
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That there is the problem. Even if they support some of what you do, they go against enough to help the other side. That's how they keep everything the status quo. Republicans do the same thing. "Hey I'm a moderate, and support some things Democrats do. I'm bipartisan. You can trust me!" Screw that. It's all a game to get exactly what each side already wanted in the first place. They play a role in a play. The actor isn't the same as the person. Many people always confuse that too.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Padawanbater2 said:
"His policies are horrible." - absolutely, for wealthy people who don't believe in paying their fair share

"They are poorly contrived and objectively pro - GOP." - Yet, when pressed about how Buttigieg, the candidate you said you support, plans to pay for his M4A who support it idea, you failed to address it. "poorly contrived". If any of them were "objectively pro - GOP", why don't any Republican politicians support them?

"he has never accomplished any progress" - beyond all the actual progress he has made during his career, like raising workers wages, increasing the budget of the VA, standing up for LGBT rights before any other Democratic candidate, supporting civil rights before any other Democratic candidate, etc., beyond all of those accomplishments, he has fewer legislative accomplishments in congress than some of his peers, that's true. But the reason it's true is because fewer of his peers support progressive legislation than don't. Fewer progressives end up in congress because corporations and special interests don't fund their campaigns, they fund campaigns of Democrats who will be friendly to their own interests. 95% of federal campaigns who spend the most money win elections. It has nothing to do with the validity or support of their ideas, policies, or positions, because when you poll the electorate, progressive positions usually win.
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You clearly don't know the difference between policies and ideals.

You're dumb. I don't support Buttigieg. I thought for a few days that he might be the best choice among the current lineup. Stop ascribing views to me.

Bernie has accomplished exactly nothing except a COLA for vets that would have been passed anyway. He had nothing to do with any workers getting higher wages. If he had, he would have paid his own staffers more.

You're just repeating bullshit.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Communist Dreamer said:
That there is the problem. Even if they support some of what you do, they go against enough to help the other side. That's how they keep everything the status quo. Republicans do the same thing. "Hey I'm a moderate, and support some things Democrats do. I'm bipartisan. You can trust me!" Screw that. It's all a game to get exactly what each side already wanted in the first place. They play a role in a play. The actor isn't the same as the person. Many people always confuse that too.
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naive

Shitty writing too
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
You clearly don't know the difference between policies and ideals.

You're dumb. I don't support Buttigieg. I thought for a few days that he might be the best choice among the current lineup. Stop ascribing views to me.

Bernie has accomplished exactly nothing except a COLA for vets that would have been passed anyway. He had nothing to do with any workers getting higher wages. If he had, he would have paid his own staffers more.

You're just repeating bullshit.
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Well he certainly didn't get the Iraq War passed, he voted against it..

.. Joe Biden voted for it, though
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Communist Dreamer said:
Haha! Yeah sure. He's totally a Republican alt-righter working for Putin. You're delusional.
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instead of talking about your desperate, flailing, already debunked, and limp wristed attempts to slap Biden, let’s focus on your death pact or mass murdering fantasies instead

You called those lies even as I posted the quotes, psycho nazi
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Communist Dreamer said:
That there is the problem. Even if they support some of what you do, they go against enough to help the other side. That's how they keep everything the status quo. Republicans do the same thing. "Hey I'm a moderate, and support some things Democrats do. I'm bipartisan. You can trust me!" Screw that. It's all a game to get exactly what each side already wanted in the first place. They play a role in a play. The actor isn't the same as the person. Many people always confuse that too.
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Who do you support this election? Why?
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Padawanbater2 said:
Well he certainly didn't get the Iraq War passed, he voted against it..

.. Joe Biden voted for it, though
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Bernard consistently voted in favor of funding war so that his district could benefit from the military industry.

He did not stop the war. How can you call it an accomplishment? It's a political talking point. He gets to be antiwar for an idiot like you. Just stick to bashing Biden, you suck at supporting Sanders.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
Bernard consistently voted in favor of funding war so that his district could benefit from the military industry.

He did not stop the war. How can you call it an accomplishment? It's a political talking point. He gets to be antiwar for an idiot like you. Just stick to bashing Biden, you suck at supporting Sanders.
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Sanders voted to fund the soldiers because he actually supports the troops while still opposing the war. His single vote wasn't going to bring them home, so he chose to support them while he knew they were going to be there, which I, and every other thinking person supports.

Voting against the sham war in Iraq is absolutely an accomplishment. Perhaps if the frontrunner this time, and the frontrunner last time also voted against the war, and other Democrats who had a spine at the time we'd of saved $7.5 trillion
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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I never said Biden's single vote sent people to mindlessly die in the Iraq War, there is no question it contributed to the decision, though

Sanders has never voted to send anyone away to mindlessly die in a warzone for corporate interests. He voted to get them more medical coverage when they got back from those wars, though
 
Communist Dreamer

Communist Dreamer

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Padawanbater2 said:
What Democrat are they supporting?

What Democrat are you supporting?
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My guess is Biden. Not sure. Maybe someone else in the Greens, although they haven't been too competent lately.

I'd support someone like Jerry White from the Socialist Equity Party. But third parties don't ever get any representation.

I'm seriously thinking of abandoning the CPUSA for the SEP. I'd never support a Democrat, they're too much like Republicans from the early 80s. Today's republicans are becoming more like Ayn Rand cultists. Very scary.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Communist Dreamer said:
My guess is Biden. Not sure. Maybe someone else in the Greens, although they haven't been too competent lately.

I'd support someone like Jerry White from the Socialist Equity Party. But third parties don't ever get any representation.

I'm seriously thinking of abandoning the CPUSA for the SEP. I'd never support a Democrat, they're too much like Republicans from the early 80s. Today's republicans are becoming more like Ayn Rand cultists. Very scary.
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Sanders isn't a Democrat because they're too conservative, it sounds like you might support him, he actually has a pretty good shot at winning the nomination this time
 
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