Low Pressure Aero build...it has begun!

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2com

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icetech said:
Just curious, how much better have you guys found doing aero for cloning over just rapid rooters or other methods? Just hate to spend money i don't have to :)
BTW.. i never need more than 2 clones.. so i do 4 for safety, I saw a 8 pot setup on amazon for like $45.. just get that or cheaper to just build a small setup? thanks guys.
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I almost replied a page back or so when you first noted the cloner. Rapid rooters with roots poking out in 7-8 days is possible. So I'd say no better really. It depends on the user. But also, depending what you're transitioning them to after.
 
diggs99

diggs99

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2com said:
I almost replied a page back or so when you first noted the cloner. Rapid rooters with roots poking out in 7-8 days is possible. So I'd say no better really. It depends on the user. But also, depending what you're transitioning them to after.
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also a very good point thats often overlooked
 
icetech

icetech

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2com said:
I almost replied a page back or so when you first noted the cloner. Rapid rooters with roots poking out in 7-8 days is possible. So I'd say no better really. It depends on the user. But also, depending what you're transitioning them to after.
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DWC and coco.. i know in dwc to keep the RR well above the waterline so it doens't cause stalk rot.. at least from what i read.

P.S. thanks guys
 
icetech

icetech

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BTW... and sorry diggs, not trying to hijack. but since we are all here :) One thing i dont' get about aero is i see guys running like 30min on/off or other long times.. wouldn't like 1 min on 15 off do the same thing? inside the bucket is like 99% humidity and i doubt roots would get near dry even in 3 hours let alone 15 mins.. why the long spray time?
 
diggs99

diggs99

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icetech said:
BTW... and sorry diggs, not trying to hijack. but since we are all here :) One thing i dont' get about aero is i see guys running like 30min on/off or other long times.. wouldn't like 1 min on 15 off do the same thing? inside the bucket is like 99% humidity and i doubt roots would get near dry even in 3 hours let alone 15 mins.. why the long spray time?
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No worries on hijcking anything bud, were all here to share info and learn from eachother.

I think you have a good question, im not sure of the answer but we have alot of very smart growers taking part in this thread, so hopefully one of them an answer for us.
 
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2com

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icetech said:
DWC and coco.. i know in dwc to keep the RR well above the waterline so it doens't cause stalk rot.. at least from what i read.

P.S. thanks guys
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These "hydro" (no medium) style cloners are great for transition into r/dwc (obviously :) ) and coco. With coco you fill the pot/solo cup some, then hold the root mass at the top of the coco, and fill/dump in around it, basically.

And yea, definitely leave a space between the plug (if any, if not, then the stem) and the waterline, even between the plug/stem and the bottom of the netpot lid. The roots above water generally are/become "air roots".
icetech said:
BTW... and sorry diggs, not trying to hijack. but since we are all here :) One thing i dont' get about aero is i see guys running like 30min on/off or other long times.. wouldn't like 1 min on 15 off do the same thing? inside the bucket is like 99% humidity and i doubt roots would get near dry even in 3 hours let alone 15 mins.. why the long spray time?
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I think it's really about temps (or energy usage if that would be a concern to someone). If running pump 24/7 doesn't cause temps to get too high, you'd probably never think twice about anything. I think the intervals became a method for controlling the temps of the water/tote/etc. Different durations of on/off will result in different max temps, and once you got it dialed in (consistent temp with little variation of heating and cooling) that's probably the on/off interval you'd stay at.

Just my thoughts on it.
I've even heard that the water droplets running down the cuttings stems stimulate root growth but I haven't read anything scientific in that regard. Interesting that's all.
edit: Maybe an "ideal" level of moisture on the actual stem is beneficial to "drawing out" the roots, and so having an off time dialed in to dry them out just enough helps with that. Not sure, just thinking out loud.
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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I see the 8 site closer on Amazon. It's just a bucket. If you're going to buy one, at least make sure your money goes to something that resembles a clone king or some other injection mold. If you're gonna buy one made from a 3.5g bucket, just make your own using a 5gal.
 
icetech

icetech

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Airwalker16 said:
I see the 8 site closer on Amazon. It's just a bucket. If you're going to buy one, at least make sure your money goes to something that resembles a clone king or some other injection mold. If you're gonna buy one made from a 3.5g bucket, just make your own using a 5gal.
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Amazon.com : 8 Site Aeroponic Plant Cloner - Clone Bucket 8 Black Edition From Hydro West : Plant Germination Kits : Garden & Outdoor

Amazon.com : 8 Site Aeroponic Plant Cloner - Clone Bucket 8 Black Edition From Hydro West : Plant Germination Kits : Garden & Outdoor
www.amazon.com

That's the one i was looking at and for clones why would i need a 5 gallon? And what is wrong with buckets? seems for the purpose they would be perfect?

Not arguing, am actually curious.. looked at the cloneking and it seems to be a square bucket...
 
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Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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icetech said:

Amazon.com : 8 Site Aeroponic Plant Cloner - Clone Bucket 8 Black Edition From Hydro West : Plant Germination Kits : Garden & Outdoor

Amazon.com : 8 Site Aeroponic Plant Cloner - Clone Bucket 8 Black Edition From Hydro West : Plant Germination Kits : Garden & Outdoor
www.amazon.com

That's the one i was looking at and for clones why would i need a 5 gallon? And what is wrong with buckets? seems for the purpose they would be perfect?

Not arguing, am actually curious.. looked at the cloneking and it seems to be a square bucket...
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Just saying, you might as well build it yourself.
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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icetech said:
I am probably going to just build my own honestly.. i was just looking, i don't get what makes a clone king better than a bucket though? a pump and wet roots... pretty much the same?
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The fact that you were going to spend $45. That's all. I would say buy somethin like the klone king if you were gonna spend the money.
 
diggs99

diggs99

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Ok guys/gals...today is the day ive been waiting for. Moving day for the girls. Big system is ready.


Before i put the plants in there tho, i was thinking of ripping a bunch more sterilized water through the system using some shock.

Was wondering how much shock to put in 5/10g of water just to flush the system of any shit thats accumulated during the build etc...

@Renfro i expect this would be up your alley?
 
Couch_Lock

Couch_Lock

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diggs99 said:
Ya from what i have gathered in the researching ive done, spraying will be determined by root mass, so as they get bigger the times may have to be adjusted accordingly, Yes i wanted the totes to be as tall as possible, try to keep the roots hanging in air as long as i can. Its inevitable that they will reach the bottom and begin piling up at some point tho, i would assume.

This is all still extremely new to me, im learning as i go and i expect this first run to be somewhat of a gong show, but i can guarantee you this, ill make it entertaining lol
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Makes sense. The larger totes and adjusting sprayer on/off as root mass increases. Interesting. If we go legal ((finally) this year aeroponics just makes too much sense NOT to try this.
 
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